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Guest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:54 am
Some of you are so naive, doesn’t matter where you play - talent will rise to the top.
No issue with half ice or full ice options, mine played full ice… but just because you learned what an offside was 2 years earlier and where to lineup on a faceoff isn’t going to change your skill level in the long run. Options are great, and of course kids who played full ice earlier will obviously look better earlier on full ice… there were 2014 teams that played full ice the year before and came out the gate extremely well, and then faded into nothing once the others in the loop figured out their positional play.
Do what’s right for you… and leave it at that…. But athletic kids who are on the ice (no matter what type of play) will rise to the top. That’s just how it is.
To all the "geniuses" and hockey experts opining on the merits of full ice hockey for 6 7 and 8 years olds, ask yourselves a few questions:
Q) What are the 3 top hockey producing nations in the world ?
A) Canada USA Sweden
Q) Is Canada gaining or losing its ground as the top hockey nation?
A) Losing fast
Q) What do the hockey nations gaining ground do with age groups?
A) They play half ice hockey
To all the "experts" stating "facts" and "book it" - these above, are facts not opinions.
You can draw your own conclusion and determine who has it right, and who has it wrong, but the trend is your friend until it bends
the Canadian trend is bent on a downward trajectory
Canada is half ice for the most part
Canada was behind Sweden and USA hockey in adopting the half ice model and is now the first to try and break away from it. Opinions are rampant - empirical evidence is factual. When you look beyond your little corner of the world to what others are having success with you can learn allot.
the problem with Canada hockey is not half ice/ full ice - its that we have turned it into a politics and money game. The best players aren't the ones representing our country in most cases. Also, the kids are being force fed skill over effort / toughness etc.
Canada would win at the highest level because we were super skilled and tough. Now, most of our best players are missing the toughness.
The USA, they are doing things the way we used to - plus have 10:1 people in their country. We just need to get back to playing the way we used to play, and stop being pansy's
Sure Gramps. I'd rather have my team filled with McDavid, MacKinnon, Bedard, Makar etc. than have a bunch of balance up and down my line-up. If you recall Canada has won the last few true best on best competitions. Would discount things like WJCs because in so many instances Canada's best players can't play because they are already in the NHL.
Same garbage response every single time.
Playoff teams win with grit players that have talent
Best on Best win with grit players that have talent
Its a proven fact. Guess what, you can't fill a team with McDavids, MacKinnon, Bedards - because you just listed all of them. You compare USA best team vs Canada best team and I am taking the USA every time.
To all the "geniuses" and hockey experts opining on the merits of full ice hockey for 6 7 and 8 years olds, ask yourselves a few questions:
Q) What are the 3 top hockey producing nations in the world ?
A) Canada USA Sweden
Q) Is Canada gaining or losing its ground as the top hockey nation?
A) Losing fast
Q) What do the hockey nations gaining ground do with age groups?
A) They play half ice hockey
To all the "experts" stating "facts" and "book it" - these above, are facts not opinions.
You can draw your own conclusion and determine who has it right, and who has it wrong, but the trend is your friend until it bends
the Canadian trend is bent on a downward trajectory
Canada is half ice for the most part
Canada was behind Sweden and USA hockey in adopting the half ice model and is now the first to try and break away from it. Opinions are rampant - empirical evidence is factual. When you look beyond your little corner of the world to what others are having success with you can learn allot.
the problem with Canada hockey is not half ice/ full ice - its that we have turned it into a politics and money game. The best players aren't the ones representing our country in most cases. Also, the kids are being force fed skill over effort / toughness etc.
Canada would win at the highest level because we were super skilled and tough. Now, most of our best players are missing the toughness.
The USA, they are doing things the way we used to - plus have 10:1 people in their country. We just need to get back to playing the way we used to play, and stop being pansy's
Sure Gramps. I'd rather have my team filled with McDavid, MacKinnon, Bedard, Makar etc. than have a bunch of balance up and down my line-up. If you recall Canada has won the last few true best on best competitions. Would discount things like WJCs because in so many instances Canada's best players can't play because they are already in the NHL.
Same garbage response every single time.
Playoff teams win with grit players that have talent
Best on Best win with grit players that have talent
Its a proven fact. Guess what, you can't fill a team with McDavids, MacKinnon, Bedards - because you just listed all of them. You compare USA best team vs Canada best team and I am taking the USA every time.
toughness, size and skill.
IIHF reffing...no. NHL playoff reffing where they let cross checks go all the time. Sure I'm with you there.
Guest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:54 am
Some of you are so naive, doesn’t matter where you play - talent will rise to the top.
No issue with half ice or full ice options, mine played full ice… but just because you learned what an offside was 2 years earlier and where to lineup on a faceoff isn’t going to change your skill level in the long run. Options are great, and of course kids who played full ice earlier will obviously look better earlier on full ice… there were 2014 teams that played full ice the year before and came out the gate extremely well, and then faded into nothing once the others in the loop figured out their positional play.
Do what’s right for you… and leave it at that…. But athletic kids who are on the ice (no matter what type of play) will rise to the top. That’s just how it is.
You didn't argue a single point to what ANYONE said.
Yes the top kids will make any team they try out for. But, for the kids who aren't top 2 or 3 on the ice. Full-ice is going to give them a huge advantage to making a team. If you think its just about offsides and where to line up on a face-off you know NOTHING of hockey.
Full ice is teaching kids how to:
Break out plays from their own end
Transitional defense through the neutral zone
Defense understanding of when to pinch
forwards carrying the puck through space and making plays with the puck to their line-mates
Understanding line changes and the dynamics of when its appropriate and when its not - also being cognizant of what your line mates are doing
Short handed play
Power play
Using your defense for bump plays in the offensive zone
understanding team defense in the defensive zone
goalie timing (blue line and inwards)
goalie angles
full size nets for them
I could keep going and going.... So I think its absolutely ridiculous for you or anyone to belittle the fact that the kids playing is the KSL aren't being set up for success in the future. But, yes, one last time - the VERY BEST KIDS will still make teams from an MD program.
Once a team is set in U10 - there is very little change from one year to the next. So spots are limited and its much more difficult to make a team.
Every coach in the league at this age will take a more talented kid over all of the nonsense you spewed above. Glad that your kid played full ice starting in October instead of January, I'm sure that was the difference
You people are so delusional.
Your kids look like crap compared to better kids, that are better prepared, and you can't deal with your poor decision you made. COW made their first round of cuts - not one single MD kid, except a goalie still in.
YSE, no idea what their cuts looked like, but the top half of the kids were ALL KSL kids. I don't think a single MD kid will make it.
Whitby - NO MD
Ajax/Pick - No MD
You can say it doesn't make a difference at tryouts, but you are wrong. Clearly it does. Proven facts.
Whitby No MD - correct
APR - still TBD
North Shore - still TBD
COW - no idea
COW is going to be all KSL. Mix of EOYK and NS
APR is going to be all KSL. Mix of JW, YK, Durham Mustangs
North Shore - no idea I imagine similar set of kids to APR
Probably a decent take...
All YK on Whitby AAA so none to APR
Guest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:54 am
Some of you are so naive, doesn’t matter where you play - talent will rise to the top.
No issue with half ice or full ice options, mine played full ice… but just because you learned what an offside was 2 years earlier and where to lineup on a faceoff isn’t going to change your skill level in the long run. Options are great, and of course kids who played full ice earlier will obviously look better earlier on full ice… there were 2014 teams that played full ice the year before and came out the gate extremely well, and then faded into nothing once the others in the loop figured out their positional play.
Do what’s right for you… and leave it at that…. But athletic kids who are on the ice (no matter what type of play) will rise to the top. That’s just how it is.
You didn't argue a single point to what ANYONE said.
Yes the top kids will make any team they try out for. But, for the kids who aren't top 2 or 3 on the ice. Full-ice is going to give them a huge advantage to making a team. If you think its just about offsides and where to line up on a face-off you know NOTHING of hockey.
Full ice is teaching kids how to:
Break out plays from their own end
Transitional defense through the neutral zone
Defense understanding of when to pinch
forwards carrying the puck through space and making plays with the puck to their line-mates
Understanding line changes and the dynamics of when its appropriate and when its not - also being cognizant of what your line mates are doing
Short handed play
Power play
Using your defense for bump plays in the offensive zone
understanding team defense in the defensive zone
goalie timing (blue line and inwards)
goalie angles
full size nets for them
I could keep going and going.... So I think its absolutely ridiculous for you or anyone to belittle the fact that the kids playing is the KSL aren't being set up for success in the future. But, yes, one last time - the VERY BEST KIDS will still make teams from an MD program.
Once a team is set in U10 - there is very little change from one year to the next. So spots are limited and its much more difficult to make a team.
Every coach in the league at this age will take a more talented kid over all of the nonsense you spewed above. Glad that your kid played full ice starting in October instead of January, I'm sure that was the difference
You people are so delusional.
Your kids look like crap compared to better kids, that are better prepared, and you can't deal with your poor decision you made. COW made their first round of cuts - not one single MD kid, except a goalie still in.
YSE, no idea what their cuts looked like, but the top half of the kids were ALL KSL kids. I don't think a single MD kid will make it.
Whitby - NO MD
Ajax/Pick - No MD
You can say it doesn't make a difference at tryouts, but you are wrong. Clearly it does. Proven facts.
Whitby No MD - correct
APR - still TBD
North Shore - still TBD
COW - no idea
COW is going to be all KSL. Mix of EOYK and NS
APR is going to be all KSL. Mix of JW, YK, Durham Mustangs
North Shore - no idea I imagine similar set of kids to APR
North Shore's coach ran his own team last year separate from KSL and MD...never understood why.
You didn't argue a single point to what ANYONE said.
Yes the top kids will make any team they try out for. But, for the kids who aren't top 2 or 3 on the ice. Full-ice is going to give them a huge advantage to making a team. If you think its just about offsides and where to line up on a face-off you know NOTHING of hockey.
Full ice is teaching kids how to:
Break out plays from their own end
Transitional defense through the neutral zone
Defense understanding of when to pinch
forwards carrying the puck through space and making plays with the puck to their line-mates
Understanding line changes and the dynamics of when its appropriate and when its not - also being cognizant of what your line mates are doing
Short handed play
Power play
Using your defense for bump plays in the offensive zone
understanding team defense in the defensive zone
goalie timing (blue line and inwards)
goalie angles
full size nets for them
I could keep going and going.... So I think its absolutely ridiculous for you or anyone to belittle the fact that the kids playing is the KSL aren't being set up for success in the future. But, yes, one last time - the VERY BEST KIDS will still make teams from an MD program.
Once a team is set in U10 - there is very little change from one year to the next. So spots are limited and its much more difficult to make a team.
Every coach in the league at this age will take a more talented kid over all of the nonsense you spewed above. Glad that your kid played full ice starting in October instead of January, I'm sure that was the difference
You people are so delusional.
Your kids look like crap compared to better kids, that are better prepared, and you can't deal with your poor decision you made. COW made their first round of cuts - not one single MD kid, except a goalie still in.
YSE, no idea what their cuts looked like, but the top half of the kids were ALL KSL kids. I don't think a single MD kid will make it.
Whitby - NO MD
Ajax/Pick - No MD
You can say it doesn't make a difference at tryouts, but you are wrong. Clearly it does. Proven facts.
Whitby No MD - correct
APR - still TBD
North Shore - still TBD
COW - no idea
COW is going to be all KSL. Mix of EOYK and NS
APR is going to be all KSL. Mix of JW, YK, Durham Mustangs
North Shore - no idea I imagine similar set of kids to APR
North Shore's coach ran his own team last year separate from KSL and MD...never understood why.
Every coach in the league at this age will take a more talented kid over all of the nonsense you spewed above. Glad that your kid played full ice starting in October instead of January, I'm sure that was the difference
You people are so delusional.
Your kids look like crap compared to better kids, that are better prepared, and you can't deal with your poor decision you made. COW made their first round of cuts - not one single MD kid, except a goalie still in.
YSE, no idea what their cuts looked like, but the top half of the kids were ALL KSL kids. I don't think a single MD kid will make it.
Whitby - NO MD
Ajax/Pick - No MD
You can say it doesn't make a difference at tryouts, but you are wrong. Clearly it does. Proven facts.
Whitby No MD - correct
APR - still TBD
North Shore - still TBD
COW - no idea
COW is going to be all KSL. Mix of EOYK and NS
APR is going to be all KSL. Mix of JW, YK, Durham Mustangs
North Shore - no idea I imagine similar set of kids to APR
North Shore's coach ran his own team last year separate from KSL and MD...never understood why.
Your kids look like crap compared to better kids, that are better prepared, and you can't deal with your poor decision you made. COW made their first round of cuts - not one single MD kid, except a goalie still in.
YSE, no idea what their cuts looked like, but the top half of the kids were ALL KSL kids. I don't think a single MD kid will make it.
Whitby - NO MD
Ajax/Pick - No MD
You can say it doesn't make a difference at tryouts, but you are wrong. Clearly it does. Proven facts.
Whitby No MD - correct
APR - still TBD
North Shore - still TBD
COW - no idea
COW is going to be all KSL. Mix of EOYK and NS
APR is going to be all KSL. Mix of JW, YK, Durham Mustangs
North Shore - no idea I imagine similar set of kids to APR
North Shore's coach ran his own team last year separate from KSL and MD...never understood why.
Is that Clarington Red Wings?
Think it was the Jr Bulls
Cool. Were they any good? I know they all play in a rogue-rogue "league"
COW is going to be all KSL. Mix of EOYK and NS
APR is going to be all KSL. Mix of JW, YK, Durham Mustangs
North Shore - no idea I imagine similar set of kids to APR
North Shore's coach ran his own team last year separate from KSL and MD...never understood why.
Is that Clarington Red Wings?
Think it was the Jr Bulls
Cool. Were they any good? I know they all play in a rogue-rogue "league"
The Jr Bulls were solid AA. No standout talent. Goalies average to tier 2 NYHL. My son played them with his development team (his team avowedly AA level at best) lost to them but they did not get blown away by them.