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Do we look at defensive defensemen anymore? Is plus/minus a stat? Many players make a living because they can make a 1st pass. These guys can’t/dont/wont, and cause more turnovers than points. Watch the JRC 4-3 game. Check the plus/minus when you’re done.

I totally agree, while VK’s d might be offensively spirited, they definitely are the absolute worse defensively. VK doesn’t win game because of their Dman, they lose because of them. VK’s liability is their Dmen and can be exploited.

I’ll agree with this. We beat them because their defense is terrible at actual defense. Offensively spirited and talented I also agree, but defensive liabilities. That team needs strong defensive d pairings to over compensate.

So who’s the toughest Dman to play against in the league?

Net front I would say MM66

Do we look at defensive defensemen anymore? Is plus/minus a stat? Many players make a living because they can make a 1st pass. These guys can’t/dont/wont, and cause more turnovers than points. Watch the JRC 4-3 game. Check the plus/minus when you’re done.
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I totally agree, while VK’s d might be offensively spirited, they definitely are the absolute worse defensively. VK doesn’t win game because of their Dman, they lose because of them. VK’s liability is their Dmen and can be exploited.
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I’ll agree with this. We beat them because their defense is terrible at actual defense. Offensively spirited and talented I also agree, but defensive liabilities. That team needs strong defensive d pairings to over compensate.
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So who’s the toughest Dman to play against in the league?
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Net front I would say MM66
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DMF13 get any love ??? Can’t believe how short this list is!

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:49 pm Do we look at defensive defensemen anymore? Is plus/minus a stat? Many players make a living because they can make a 1st pass. These guys can’t/dont/wont, and cause more turnovers than points. Watch the JRC 4-3 game. Check the plus/minus when you’re done.

I totally agree, while VK’s d might be offensively spirited, they definitely are the absolute worse defensively. VK doesn’t win game because of their Dman, they lose because of them. VK’s liability is their Dmen and can be exploited.
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I’ll agree with this. We beat them because their defense is terrible at actual defense. Offensively spirited and talented I also agree, but defensive liabilities. That team needs strong defensive d pairings to over compensate.
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So who’s the toughest Dman to play against in the league?
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Net front I would say MM66
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DMF13 get any love ??? Can’t believe how short this list is!
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Who’s best 2 way Center in the league. Guy who plays a legit 200ft game.

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:49 pm Do we look at defensive defensemen anymore? Is plus/minus a stat? Many players make a living because they can make a 1st pass. These guys can’t/dont/wont, and cause more turnovers than points. Watch the JRC 4-3 game. Check the plus/minus when you’re done.

I totally agree, while VK’s d might be offensively spirited, they definitely are the absolute worse defensively. VK doesn’t win game because of their Dman, they lose because of them. VK’s liability is their Dmen and can be exploited.
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I’ll agree with this. We beat them because their defense is terrible at actual defense. Offensively spirited and talented I also agree, but defensive liabilities. That team needs strong defensive d pairings to over compensate.
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So who’s the toughest Dman to play against in the league?
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Net front I would say MM66
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DMF13 get any love ??? Can’t believe how short this list is!
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Probably the reason why many teams are stocking up with top non-G dmen. Old school dmen are hard to find. Too many focused on end to end highlight plays.

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Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:49 pm Do we look at defensive defensemen anymore? Is plus/minus a stat? Many players make a living because they can make a 1st pass. These guys can’t/dont/wont, and cause more turnovers than points. Watch the JRC 4-3 game. Check the plus/minus when you’re done.

I totally agree, while VK’s d might be offensively spirited, they definitely are the absolute worse defensively. VK doesn’t win game because of their Dman, they lose because of them. VK’s liability is their Dmen and can be exploited.

I’ll agree with this. We beat them because their defense is terrible at actual defense. Offensively spirited and talented I also agree, but defensive liabilities. That team needs strong defensive d pairings to over compensate.
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So who’s the toughest Dman to play against in the league?
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Net front I would say MM66
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DMF13 get any love ??? Can’t believe how short this list is!
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Who’s best 2 way Center in the league. Guy who plays a legit 200ft game.
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JRC93

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Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 10:23 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:49 pm Do we look at defensive defensemen anymore? Is plus/minus a stat? Many players make a living because they can make a 1st pass. These guys can’t/dont/wont, and cause more turnovers than points. Watch the JRC 4-3 game. Check the plus/minus when you’re done.

I totally agree, while VK’s d might be offensively spirited, they definitely are the absolute worse defensively. VK doesn’t win game because of their Dman, they lose because of them. VK’s liability is their Dmen and can be exploited.

I’ll agree with this. We beat them because their defense is terrible at actual defense. Offensively spirited and talented I also agree, but defensive liabilities. That team needs strong defensive d pairings to over compensate.

So who’s the toughest Dman to play against in the league?
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Net front I would say MM66
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DMF13 get any love ??? Can’t believe how short this list is!
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Who’s best 2 way Center in the league. Guy who plays a legit 200ft game.
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JRC93
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MS15 lol only one on that team that backchecks.

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 10:23 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:49 pm Do we look at defensive defensemen anymore? Is plus/minus a stat? Many players make a living because they can make a 1st pass. These guys can’t/dont/wont, and cause more turnovers than points. Watch the JRC 4-3 game. Check the plus/minus when you’re done.

I totally agree, while VK’s d might be offensively spirited, they definitely are the absolute worse defensively. VK doesn’t win game because of their Dman, they lose because of them. VK’s liability is their Dmen and can be exploited.

I’ll agree with this. We beat them because their defense is terrible at actual defense. Offensively spirited and talented I also agree, but defensive liabilities. That team needs strong defensive d pairings to over compensate.
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So who’s the toughest Dman to play against in the league?
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Net front I would say MM66
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DMF13 get any love ??? Can’t believe how short this list is!
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Who’s best 2 way Center in the league. Guy who plays a legit 200ft game.
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Gotta be AB on FP

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:09 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 10:23 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:49 pm Do we look at defensive defensemen anymore? Is plus/minus a stat? Many players make a living because they can make a 1st pass. These guys can’t/dont/wont, and cause more turnovers than points. Watch the JRC 4-3 game. Check the plus/minus when you’re done.

I totally agree, while VK’s d might be offensively spirited, they definitely are the absolute worse defensively. VK doesn’t win game because of their Dman, they lose because of them. VK’s liability is their Dmen and can be exploited.

I’ll agree with this. We beat them because their defense is terrible at actual defense. Offensively spirited and talented I also agree, but defensive liabilities. That team needs strong defensive d pairings to over compensate.

So who’s the toughest Dman to play against in the league?
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Net front I would say MM66
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DMF13 get any love ??? Can’t believe how short this list is!
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Who’s best 2 way Center in the league. Guy who plays a legit 200ft game.
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Gotta be AB on FP
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MS88

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:49 pm Do we look at defensive defensemen anymore? Is plus/minus a stat? Many players make a living because they can make a 1st pass. These guys can’t/dont/wont, and cause more turnovers than points. Watch the JRC 4-3 game. Check the plus/minus when you’re done.

I totally agree, while VK’s d might be offensively spirited, they definitely are the absolute worse defensively. VK doesn’t win game because of their Dman, they lose because of them. VK’s liability is their Dmen and can be exploited.
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I’ll agree with this. We beat them because their defense is terrible at actual defense. Offensively spirited and talented I also agree, but defensive liabilities. That team needs strong defensive d pairings to over compensate.
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So who’s the toughest Dman to play against in the league?
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Net front I would say MM66
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DMF13 get any love ??? Can’t believe how short this list is!
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Best ones are either playing a year up, in the OMHA, Alliance and prep that might fit the bill. G d training since young has always been go end to end.

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 8:19 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:49 pm Do we look at defensive defensemen anymore? Is plus/minus a stat? Many players make a living because they can make a 1st pass. These guys can’t/dont/wont, and cause more turnovers than points. Watch the JRC 4-3 game. Check the plus/minus when you’re done.

I totally agree, while VK’s d might be offensively spirited, they definitely are the absolute worse defensively. VK doesn’t win game because of their Dman, they lose because of them. VK’s liability is their Dmen and can be exploited.

I’ll agree with this. We beat them because their defense is terrible at actual defense. Offensively spirited and talented I also agree, but defensive liabilities. That team needs strong defensive d pairings to over compensate.
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So who’s the toughest Dman to play against in the league?
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Net front I would say MM66
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DMF13 get any love ??? Can’t believe how short this list is!
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Best ones are either playing a year up, in the OMHA, Alliance and prep that might fit the bill. G d training since young has always been go end to end.
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UCC D man and Hill American fit the bill. The rest of the Year ups, OMHA, Alliance and prep are steady eddies but not tops.