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From you vast experience of other age groups do share what makes 2016s so much more elite? How do you know what the 2013s were doing as a comparison? You don't because when the 2013s were at your kids age, your kid was literally wearing a diaper and you weren't wondering arenas scouting.

Could it be that you're a newb and are comparing the progression a 2016 makes vs a 2013? You can't compare. After u10, the improvements year over year are minimal compared to the younger ages.

Perhaps the 16s are beyond others but it's a long haul. Also, year to year enrollment changes. There's some birth years with significantly more high level players than others

1. There's no such thing as 2016 Elite AAA. This ain't spring hockey marketing. The kids are so young that those on the ice most will dominate for another couple years. But again, there's literally no such thing at 2016 AAA. When you make U10 let's chat then

2. The older parents do know what we are talking about. Proof is in the pudding young fella. Our children have proved long term relevance at the AAA level. Yours haven't. No ego. Just a fact. Maybe be a bit more humble and learn so you can actually help your kid.

3. 6-7 year old hockey isn't real hockey. It's breakaway goals, cross ice in the winter and zero real systems

I have no bias for the 2016s or 2017s... I've worked with kids at this level (10 and Under) for a while now and it's just my observation. I also have my own in hockey and compare the 2, as well as several family members in various age brackets (all AAA) who mention the same thing when they watch my youngest play.

The parents are definitely more driven, for better or worse.

It's just an opinion, do with it what you want.

So we all agree, 2016s are better than everyone else's kids?

In 2.5 years, your 2016 age group will gather the elites and go play in Edmonton at the Brick. Will see just how elite your best are then. Maybe you blow the doors off and smash everyone. Time will tell. That'll give you a marker as to just how strong your age group is in Ontario. No cross ice, playing systems, starting to look like real hockey and no kids going end to end anymore.

We've been playing full ice with all rules since last year (offsides, icing, change on the fly, etc). The kids picked it up very fast surprisingly. Not saying anything about the brick or how elite these kids are vs the world.... The thread is just for the best kids at this age currently. I agree no one should be called elite until older but I didn't start this thread.....

I hope with each coming year, a new word or acronym is added to the thread title.

2017 Elite AAA Exclusive
2018 Elite AAAA Exclusive Invite
2019 Elite AAAA Exclusive Invite Members Only

i wish my kid was born in 2019

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So we all agree, 2016s are better than everyone else's kids?

2016s are the best age group ever, agreed.

Can someone just make a new post called 2016 MD/Rep do we can move on from this garbage and just chat about the hockey teams?

How dare you insult the ELITES!!!!

For real. MD is house league compared to Klevr Elite Deluxe AAA Invite Only.

My kids in Klevr. We aren't all douche bags.

Kids are more or less equally talented across the board. The game is different, of course. Full ice, vs half ice. Big nets, vs Small nets. Offsides and Icing, vs not.

The conversation can still be combined and not filled with asshats who want to tease everyone because the word "elite" or AAA was used.

You're definitely not douche bags. (maybe except for the Montreal Kings) I have a ton of friends that bought into the KSL pitch. Some regret it already and some are happy with their choice.

That said, full ice at 2016 is just dumb. How much research do people need to slapped with before they clue in?? It's bad for the two or three kids that skate end to end and it's bad for the kids that never get touches.

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2016s are the best age group ever, agreed.

Can someone just make a new post called 2016 MD/Rep do we can move on from this garbage and just chat about the hockey teams?

How dare you insult the ELITES!!!!

For real. MD is house league compared to Klevr Elite Deluxe AAA Invite Only.

My kids in Klevr. We aren't all douche bags.

Kids are more or less equally talented across the board. The game is different, of course. Full ice, vs half ice. Big nets, vs Small nets. Offsides and Icing, vs not.

The conversation can still be combined and not filled with asshats who want to tease everyone because the word "elite" or AAA was used.

You're definitely not douche bags. (maybe except for the Montreal Kings) I have a ton of friends that bought into the KSL pitch. Some regret it already and some are happy with their choice.

That said, full ice at 2016 is just dumb. How much research do people need to slapped with before they clue in?? It's bad for the two or three kids that skate end to end and it's bad for the kids that never get touches.

I've spoken to some people who legit think that learning off side at a young age is critical to development.

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Guest wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:43 am

2016s are the best age group ever, agreed.

Can someone just make a new post called 2016 MD/Rep do we can move on from this garbage and just chat about the hockey teams?

How dare you insult the ELITES!!!!

For real. MD is house league compared to Klevr Elite Deluxe AAA Invite Only.

My kids in Klevr. We aren't all douche bags.

Kids are more or less equally talented across the board. The game is different, of course. Full ice, vs half ice. Big nets, vs Small nets. Offsides and Icing, vs not.

The conversation can still be combined and not filled with asshats who want to tease everyone because the word "elite" or AAA was used.

You're definitely not douche bags. (maybe except for the Montreal Kings) I have a ton of friends that bought into the KSL pitch. Some regret it already and some are happy with their choice.

That said, full ice at 2016 is just dumb. How much research do people need to slapped with before they clue in?? It's bad for the two or three kids that skate end to end and it's bad for the kids that never get touches.

What are the reasons for the regrets? Just curious and nosy

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2016s are the best age group ever, agreed.
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Can someone just make a new post called 2016 MD/Rep do we can move on from this garbage and just chat about the hockey teams?
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How dare you insult the ELITES!!!!
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For real. MD is house league compared to Klevr Elite Deluxe AAA Invite Only.
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My kids in Klevr. We aren't all douche bags.

Kids are more or less equally talented across the board. The game is different, of course. Full ice, vs half ice. Big nets, vs Small nets. Offsides and Icing, vs not.

The conversation can still be combined and not filled with asshats who want to tease everyone because the word "elite" or AAA was used.
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You're definitely not douche bags. (maybe except for the Montreal Kings) I have a ton of friends that bought into the KSL pitch. Some regret it already and some are happy with their choice.

That said, full ice at 2016 is just dumb. How much research do people need to slapped with before they clue in?? It's bad for the two or three kids that skate end to end and it's bad for the kids that never get touches.
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While I would agree with this 5 years ago, it is rare/doesn't happen with the real good kids. No one is going end to end in a good game that I've Seen (and I've seen a lot of full ice games for 2016/2017). It's not just KSL teams that are doing full ice (it's just not advertised openly). Half ice is a joke to these kids now, they all play spring hockey full ice now anyways. Again, the kids at 2016 (call them elite, call them a joke, call them whatever) seem to me anyways, to be way ahead of the 2014/15 ages.

The ksl was formed because most agree that half ice is a joke. Looks like business is fine there so obviously the ppl have spoken on the issue of full vs half. Everyone was doing underground games anyways at the KSL just made sense.

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Guest wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:59 am Can someone just make a new post called 2016 MD/Rep do we can move on from this garbage and just chat about the hockey teams?

How dare you insult the ELITES!!!!

For real. MD is house league compared to Klevr Elite Deluxe AAA Invite Only.

My kids in Klevr. We aren't all douche bags.

Kids are more or less equally talented across the board. The game is different, of course. Full ice, vs half ice. Big nets, vs Small nets. Offsides and Icing, vs not.

The conversation can still be combined and not filled with asshats who want to tease everyone because the word "elite" or AAA was used.

You're definitely not douche bags. (maybe except for the Montreal Kings) I have a ton of friends that bought into the KSL pitch. Some regret it already and some are happy with their choice.

That said, full ice at 2016 is just dumb. How much research do people need to slapped with before they clue in?? It's bad for the two or three kids that skate end to end and it's bad for the kids that never get touches.

While I would agree with this 5 years ago, it is rare/doesn't happen with the real good kids. No one is going end to end in a good game that I've Seen (and I've seen a lot of full ice games for 2016/2017). It's not just KSL teams that are doing full ice (it's just not advertised openly). Half ice is a joke to these kids now, they all play spring hockey full ice now anyways. Again, the kids at 2016 (call them elite, call them a joke, call them whatever) seem to me anyways, to be way ahead of the 2014/15 ages.

The ksl was formed because most agree that half ice is a joke. Looks like business is fine there so obviously the ppl have spoken on the issue of full vs half. Everyone was doing underground games anyways at the KSL just made sense.

The point is, by the time the kids are U10 they will know how to play in systems, back check, avoid offsides, avoid Icing the puck, change lines on the fly, goalies playing in full size nets, look for long leed passes etc etc.

None of those things by themselves are a huge advantage. But all of those things, combined with playing mostly good, competitive games, are going to prep these kids better than half ice and 4 on 4.

Then layer in the fact that a lot of these kids either play spring hockey doing full ice, or lacrosse which is fall "pad" with all of those things (line changes, real rules, etc) I am not sure kids would adjust back to the half ice, small nets, non-sense.

HOWEVER, after saying all that, I get why some people think half ice is better. I could be sold on some of the main points.

It's like NFL vs CFL same sport, different rules.

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Can someone just make a new post called 2016 MD/Rep do we can move on from this garbage and just chat about the hockey teams?

How dare you insult the ELITES!!!!

For real. MD is house league compared to Klevr Elite Deluxe AAA Invite Only.

My kids in Klevr. We aren't all douche bags.

Kids are more or less equally talented across the board. The game is different, of course. Full ice, vs half ice. Big nets, vs Small nets. Offsides and Icing, vs not.

The conversation can still be combined and not filled with asshats who want to tease everyone because the word "elite" or AAA was used.

You're definitely not douche bags. (maybe except for the Montreal Kings) I have a ton of friends that bought into the KSL pitch. Some regret it already and some are happy with their choice.

That said, full ice at 2016 is just dumb. How much research do people need to slapped with before they clue in?? It's bad for the two or three kids that skate end to end and it's bad for the kids that never get touches.

What are the reasons for the regrets? Just curious and nosy

Can't speak for whoever that guy was talking to, but the biggest complaints I've heard so far from other parents that are on different teams in Klevr are as follows: (full disclosure, my kid is in Klevr)

- ice times and locations are not prime in a lot of cases. Hockey ontario teams are blocking klevr teams in some places. (My team is sorta impacted here. Not terrible)

- some teams that started with "lower" fees (think 2500-3500) have asked for more money from their parents. I don't think dramatic amounts but a few more hundred. (My team hasn't done that)

- my personal, biggest complaint was we were promised 2x 1.5hr practices instead of 3x 1hr practices. We weren't able to get it because Rinks were too hard to get. (No idea what was promised elsewhere and what ended up happening)

Personally, I'm happy with our choice still. There are downsides and upsides to klevr (just like anywhere else). But overall, we are happy. All the parents on my specific team, all seem happy.

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Guest wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:59 am Can someone just make a new post called 2016 MD/Rep do we can move on from this garbage and just chat about the hockey teams?

How dare you insult the ELITES!!!!

For real. MD is house league compared to Klevr Elite Deluxe AAA Invite Only.

My kids in Klevr. We aren't all douche bags.

Kids are more or less equally talented across the board. The game is different, of course. Full ice, vs half ice. Big nets, vs Small nets. Offsides and Icing, vs not.

The conversation can still be combined and not filled with asshats who want to tease everyone because the word "elite" or AAA was used.

You're definitely not douche bags. (maybe except for the Montreal Kings) I have a ton of friends that bought into the KSL pitch. Some regret it already and some are happy with their choice.

That said, full ice at 2016 is just dumb. How much research do people need to slapped with before they clue in?? It's bad for the two or three kids that skate end to end and it's bad for the kids that never get touches.

While I would agree with this 5 years ago, it is rare/doesn't happen with the real good kids. No one is going end to end in a good game that I've Seen (and I've seen a lot of full ice games for 2016/2017). It's not just KSL teams that are doing full ice (it's just not advertised openly). Half ice is a joke to these kids now, they all play spring hockey full ice now anyways. Again, the kids at 2016 (call them elite, call them a joke, call them whatever) seem to me anyways, to be way ahead of the 2014/15 ages.

The ksl was formed because most agree that half ice is a joke. Looks like business is fine there so obviously the ppl have spoken on the issue of full vs half. Everyone was doing underground games anyways at the KSL just made sense.

Half ice is a joke? Read the research man. It’s actually more like real hockey. Two things you don’t have in hockey: time and space. Any kid can learn icing and offside in a couple of weekends. Playing half ice trains the ability at a very young age to hold, pass and carry the puck when there isn’t time and space.

And yes, the KSL formed to give parents what they wanted. Not the kids, not the research, the parents or more specifically, the parents money.

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Guest wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:50 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:11 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:01 am

How dare you insult the ELITES!!!!

For real. MD is house league compared to Klevr Elite Deluxe AAA Invite Only.

My kids in Klevr. We aren't all douche bags.

Kids are more or less equally talented across the board. The game is different, of course. Full ice, vs half ice. Big nets, vs Small nets. Offsides and Icing, vs not.

The conversation can still be combined and not filled with asshats who want to tease everyone because the word "elite" or AAA was used.

You're definitely not douche bags. (maybe except for the Montreal Kings) I have a ton of friends that bought into the KSL pitch. Some regret it already and some are happy with their choice.

That said, full ice at 2016 is just dumb. How much research do people need to slapped with before they clue in?? It's bad for the two or three kids that skate end to end and it's bad for the kids that never get touches.

While I would agree with this 5 years ago, it is rare/doesn't happen with the real good kids. No one is going end to end in a good game that I've Seen (and I've seen a lot of full ice games for 2016/2017). It's not just KSL teams that are doing full ice (it's just not advertised openly). Half ice is a joke to these kids now, they all play spring hockey full ice now anyways. Again, the kids at 2016 (call them elite, call them a joke, call them whatever) seem to me anyways, to be way ahead of the 2014/15 ages.

The ksl was formed because most agree that half ice is a joke. Looks like business is fine there so obviously the ppl have spoken on the issue of full vs half. Everyone was doing underground games anyways at the KSL just made sense.

Half ice is a joke? Read the research man. It’s actually more like real hockey. Two things you don’t have in hockey: time and space. Any kid can learn icing and offside in a couple of weekends. Playing half ice trains the ability at a very young age to hold, pass and carry the puck when there isn’t time and space.

And yes, the KSL formed to give parents what they wanted. Not the kids, not the research, the parents or more specifically, the parents money.

I'm a big believer is playing the sport the way its meant to be played from day one. No matter how shit the quality of it is. The kids figure it out, and grow with the game, instead of changing fundamental parts of the game mid way.

It's the same thing with soccer in the world vs Canada. We screw around with the rules and the sport so much for so many years of kids lives that by the time the kids get to a level that is more like "real soccer" they are so far away from being competitive with kids around the world.

Look at how the world is catching up to canada in international competitions. Because we have screwed around with the game so much, we lost our identity and what made Canada good.

The top kid on the ice during half ice games still skates around everyone. Most of the coaches I've talked to who have U8MD teams (not many. But still a few) are going to practice 5 on 5, full ice, etc. Only during games will they even mention 4 on 4 and half ice.

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Guest wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:34 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:09 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:50 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:11 am

For real. MD is house league compared to Klevr Elite Deluxe AAA Invite Only.

My kids in Klevr. We aren't all douche bags.

Kids are more or less equally talented across the board. The game is different, of course. Full ice, vs half ice. Big nets, vs Small nets. Offsides and Icing, vs not.

The conversation can still be combined and not filled with asshats who want to tease everyone because the word "elite" or AAA was used.

You're definitely not douche bags. (maybe except for the Montreal Kings) I have a ton of friends that bought into the KSL pitch. Some regret it already and some are happy with their choice.

That said, full ice at 2016 is just dumb. How much research do people need to slapped with before they clue in?? It's bad for the two or three kids that skate end to end and it's bad for the kids that never get touches.

While I would agree with this 5 years ago, it is rare/doesn't happen with the real good kids. No one is going end to end in a good game that I've Seen (and I've seen a lot of full ice games for 2016/2017). It's not just KSL teams that are doing full ice (it's just not advertised openly). Half ice is a joke to these kids now, they all play spring hockey full ice now anyways. Again, the kids at 2016 (call them elite, call them a joke, call them whatever) seem to me anyways, to be way ahead of the 2014/15 ages.

The ksl was formed because most agree that half ice is a joke. Looks like business is fine there so obviously the ppl have spoken on the issue of full vs half. Everyone was doing underground games anyways at the KSL just made sense.

Half ice is a joke? Read the research man. It’s actually more like real hockey. Two things you don’t have in hockey: time and space. Any kid can learn icing and offside in a couple of weekends. Playing half ice trains the ability at a very young age to hold, pass and carry the puck when there isn’t time and space.

And yes, the KSL formed to give parents what they wanted. Not the kids, not the research, the parents or more specifically, the parents money.

I'm a big believer is playing the sport the way its meant to be played from day one. No matter how shit the quality of it is. The kids figure it out, and grow with the game, instead of changing fundamental parts of the game mid way.

It's the same thing with soccer in the world vs Canada. We screw around with the rules and the sport so much for so many years of kids lives that by the time the kids get to a level that is more like "real soccer" they are so far away from being competitive with kids around the world.

Look at how the world is catching up to canada in international competitions. Because we have screwed around with the game so much, we lost our identity and what made Canada good.

The top kid on the ice during half ice games still skates around everyone. Most of the coaches I've talked to who have U8MD teams (not many. But still a few) are going to practice 5 on 5, full ice, etc. Only during games will they even mention 4 on 4 and half ice.

This commenter is so incredibly lost. Let me start with why Canada is losing ground to the rest of the world. It's because we used to have it where kids from everywhere and every walk of life could become a star. Now you need deep pockets and connections.

Next: on the way the game is meant to be played. Watch a U16 AAA game. There is no time and space. Kids playing cross and half ice learn how to play in the way the game is meant to be played a whole lot more than kids playing full ice. Full ice at U8 isn't real hockey.

Any coach who has their kids practicing at full ice at U8 is a shit development coach. Small area games til the cows come home.