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Guest wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:41 am

So penalties (including dirty penalties) are the result of someone asking for it? Tell that to a kid on our team who is an exceptional player, got hit from behind and now can't play due to a broken collar bone for the next 6 weeks. You can compete with decorum and sportsmanship but that doesn't make a player immune to the little assholes looking for any excuse to take someone out. You wake up.

She doesn't understand she is supporting violence as a valid response because she can't control herself. But everyone else around her should control themselves.

LOLOLOLOL

Yup

If the system isn't going to handle it...I fully support players administering a little in-game justice.

If the coaches aren't going to intervene...I fully support the players policing themselves in the room.

If a kids parents aren't going to teach him right from wrong...eventually somebody who they've wronged will.

Have you got bail money and a good health insurance policy.

I teach my kid to put kids like yours out of the game.

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 7:31 pm This is a strange case given last season it was Forest Hill who launched a case (deservedly so) against a MI player for using racial slurs at a Black player on FH. Social media ended up providing the smoking gun evidence the refs had not heard. Major suspension ensued (as it should have). That well known Black player is still with FH so, unless he was the offending party, I'd think he'd not be too happy with his teammate calling another Black player the N word (having been one the receiving end himself last year). Awkward turns of events, to say the least.

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:12 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 7:31 pm This is a strange case given last season it was Forest Hill who launched a case (deservedly so) against a MI player for using racial slurs at a Black player on FH. Social media ended up providing the smoking gun evidence the refs had not heard. Major suspension ensued (as it should have). That well known Black player is still with FH so, unless he was the offending party, I'd think he'd not be too happy with his teammate calling another Black player the N word (having been one the receiving end himself last year). Awkward turns of events, to say the least.

Either you have your facts wrong or you're thinking of a different incident. Here's the link to the original article that started this thread.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/hockey ... -1.6609450

"Nicola-Lalonde, who is Humber Valley's only Black player, said the player then called him the N-word."

"It's on a weekly basis that I get these types of reach-outs," Aliu told CBC Sports"

My point is that that there was a situation involving FH last season where one of their players was the victim of a racial slur. Fast forward to this season and this incident where the HV player is the victim and an FH player is the alleged perpetrator. Last year's victim is still on FH, so how does he feel knowing one of his teammates is using the N word against the HV player? The FH coaching have had to pivot from defending (last season) their Black player, to investigating (this season) one of their players alleged to have made bigoted comments against the HV player. Perhaps the word I was looking for is "ironic."

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:09 pm
Funny...this whole thread is about payback with a slash for a ref not hearing a kid using the "N" word and you're on here defending the little bigot.

Or maybe your kid was the Forest Hill bigot?? hmmm

I'll tell you one thing that is a constant in this universe...talk is cheap and kids who think its fun to utter the "N" word when adults can't hear are spineless cowards and most can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. However, the kids who are willing accept the consequences of their actions to make a point, in this case introduce a spoiled brat to the meaning of the word regret, mean business.

Nobody is worried about your gutless kid.

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:12 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 7:31 pm This is a strange case given last season it was Forest Hill who launched a case (deservedly so) against a MI player for using racial slurs at a Black player on FH. Social media ended up providing the smoking gun evidence the refs had not heard. Major suspension ensued (as it should have). That well known Black player is still with FH so, unless he was the offending party, I'd think he'd not be too happy with his teammate calling another Black player the N word (having been one the receiving end himself last year). Awkward turns of events, to say the least.

Either you have your facts wrong or you're thinking of a different incident. Here's the link to the original article that started this thread.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/hockey ... -1.6609450

"Nicola-Lalonde, who is Humber Valley's only Black player, said the player then called him the N-word."

"It's on a weekly basis that I get these types of reach-outs," Aliu told CBC Sports"

Regardless - its obvious that awareness campaigns and whatever deterrents the league has put in place aren't working. There are some kids who still think its funny to utter racial slurs when refs / coaches / adults won't hear. They know that as long as they don't confess, there will be no proof of their actions and therefore no consequences.

I stand by my opinion that if the system isn't able to manage the racist behaviour of certain players, then the players should police themselves. Its obvious that crying to the refs on the ice and pleading to the court of public opinion through the media isn't deterring these gutless kids from crossing that line.

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:02 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:12 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 7:31 pm This is a strange case given last season it was Forest Hill who launched a case (deservedly so) against a MI player for using racial slurs at a Black player on FH. Social media ended up providing the smoking gun evidence the refs had not heard. Major suspension ensued (as it should have). That well known Black player is still with FH so, unless he was the offending party, I'd think he'd not be too happy with his teammate calling another Black player the N word (having been one the receiving end himself last year). Awkward turns of events, to say the least.

Either you have your facts wrong or you're thinking of a different incident. Here's the link to the original article that started this thread.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/hockey ... -1.6609450

"Nicola-Lalonde, who is Humber Valley's only Black player, said the player then called him the N-word."

"It's on a weekly basis that I get these types of reach-outs," Aliu told CBC Sports"

Regardless - its obvious that awareness campaigns and whatever deterrents the league has put in place aren't working. There are some kids who still think its funny to utter racial slurs when refs / coaches / adults won't hear. They know that as long as they don't confess, there will be no proof of their actions and therefore no consequences.

I stand by my opinion that if the system isn't able to manage the racist behaviour of certain players, then the players should police themselves. Its obvious that crying to the refs on the ice and pleading to the court of public opinion through the media isn't deterring these gutless kids from crossing that line.

While not pleasant - it's only a word. You're just stupid enough to believe that a 7 game suspension for name calling is full justified as compared to breaking a kid's leg with a slash and only getting 1 game.

Teach your kid about how to be a good person. It's not a hockey issue. It's a societal issue and it begins with parenting skills. Take some courses.

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:43 am

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:02 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:12 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 7:31 pm This is a strange case given last season it was Forest Hill who launched a case (deservedly so) against a MI player for using racial slurs at a Black player on FH. Social media ended up providing the smoking gun evidence the refs had not heard. Major suspension ensued (as it should have). That well known Black player is still with FH so, unless he was the offending party, I'd think he'd not be too happy with his teammate calling another Black player the N word (having been one the receiving end himself last year). Awkward turns of events, to say the least.

Either you have your facts wrong or you're thinking of a different incident. Here's the link to the original article that started this thread.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/hockey ... -1.6609450

"Nicola-Lalonde, who is Humber Valley's only Black player, said the player then called him the N-word."

"It's on a weekly basis that I get these types of reach-outs," Aliu told CBC Sports"

Regardless - its obvious that awareness campaigns and whatever deterrents the league has put in place aren't working. There are some kids who still think its funny to utter racial slurs when refs / coaches / adults won't hear. They know that as long as they don't confess, there will be no proof of their actions and therefore no consequences.

I stand by my opinion that if the system isn't able to manage the racist behaviour of certain players, then the players should police themselves. Its obvious that crying to the refs on the ice and pleading to the court of public opinion through the media isn't deterring these gutless kids from crossing that line.

While not pleasant - it's only a word. You're just stupid enough to believe that a 7 game suspension for name calling is full justified as compared to breaking a kid's leg with a slash and only getting 1 game.

Teach your kid about how to be a good person. It's not a hockey issue. It's a societal issue and it begins with parenting skills. Take some courses.

Breaking a leg with a slash? Oh please...stop with the drama. Kids get slashed all the time, mostly in moments of intensity like a puck battle or preventing a goal.

"...only a word..." - I'd like you to email the Hockey Diversity Alliance and explain that to them. Or respond to the journalist who road the article.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that people these days are overly sensitive about issues like this. I don't like the new expectations of having to be politically correct all the time. But the fact remains that times have changed and we have all been put on notice about the new expectations, therefore having an "old school" mentality doesn't exempt people from todays consequences.

If the league has decided to suspend players for using certain words, then up to the players if they still want to use those words. Slashing major has been the same 5 minutes since the rule came into effect, so its up to players if they want sit for 5 minutes or less.

Personally, I don't think the league needs to get involved with racial chips. If kid wants to let it slide, then good for him and if a kid wants to retaliate, he can explain himself to his team, coach and parents. Either way letting the players settle it themselves will accomplish much more than an official saying, "...I believe he said it, but I didn't hear it so there's nothing I can do, sorry."

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 7:31 pm

Either you have your facts wrong or you're thinking of a different incident. Here's the link to the original article that started this thread.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/hockey ... -1.6609450

"Nicola-Lalonde, who is Humber Valley's only Black player, said the player then called him the N-word."

"It's on a weekly basis that I get these types of reach-outs," Aliu told CBC Sports"

My point is that that there was a situation involving FH last season where one of their players was the victim of a racial slur. Fast forward to this season and this incident where the HV player is the victim and an FH player is the alleged perpetrator. Last year's victim is still on FH, so how does he feel knowing one of his teammates is using the N word against the HV player? The FH coaching have had to pivot from defending (last season) their Black player, to investigating (this season) one of their players alleged to have made bigoted comments against the HV player. Perhaps the word I was looking for is "ironic."

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:48 am

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:43 am

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:02 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:12 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 7:31 pm This is a strange case given last season it was Forest Hill who launched a case (deservedly so) against a MI player for using racial slurs at a Black player on FH. Social media ended up providing the smoking gun evidence the refs had not heard. Major suspension ensued (as it should have). That well known Black player is still with FH so, unless he was the offending party, I'd think he'd not be too happy with his teammate calling another Black player the N word (having been one the receiving end himself last year). Awkward turns of events, to say the least.

Either you have your facts wrong or you're thinking of a different incident. Here's the link to the original article that started this thread.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/hockey ... -1.6609450

"Nicola-Lalonde, who is Humber Valley's only Black player, said the player then called him the N-word."

"It's on a weekly basis that I get these types of reach-outs," Aliu told CBC Sports"

Regardless - its obvious that awareness campaigns and whatever deterrents the league has put in place aren't working. There are some kids who still think its funny to utter racial slurs when refs / coaches / adults won't hear. They know that as long as they don't confess, there will be no proof of their actions and therefore no consequences.

I stand by my opinion that if the system isn't able to manage the racist behaviour of certain players, then the players should police themselves. Its obvious that crying to the refs on the ice and pleading to the court of public opinion through the media isn't deterring these gutless kids from crossing that line.

While not pleasant - it's only a word. You're just stupid enough to believe that a 7 game suspension for name calling is full justified as compared to breaking a kid's leg with a slash and only getting 1 game.

Teach your kid about how to be a good person. It's not a hockey issue. It's a societal issue and it begins with parenting skills. Take some courses.

Breaking a leg with a slash? Oh please...stop with the drama. Kids get slashed all the time, mostly in moments of intensity like a puck battle or preventing a goal.

"...only a word..." - I'd like you to email the Hockey Diversity Alliance and explain that to them. Or respond to the journalist who road the article.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that people these days are overly sensitive about issues like this. I don't like the new expectations of having to be politically correct all the time. But the fact remains that times have changed and we have all been put on notice about the new expectations, therefore having an "old school" mentality doesn't exempt people from todays consequences.

If the league has decided to suspend players for using certain words, then up to the players if they still want to use those words. Slashing major has been the same 5 minutes since the rule came into effect, so its up to players if they want sit for 5 minutes or less.

Personally, I don't think the league needs to get involved with racial chips. If kid wants to let it slide, then good for him and if a kid wants to retaliate, he can explain himself to his team, coach and parents. Either way letting the players settle it themselves will accomplish much more than an official saying, "...I believe he said it, but I didn't hear it so there's nothing I can do, sorry."

Lots of waffling there.

Bottom line - teach your kid to be better. If a WORD can make your kid lose his mind, there's a problem.