Minor Hockey Talks - Hockey Forum

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Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:51 am Parent, x-player, paid, volunteer...no coach is perfect.

Parents who focus on the flaws in their kids coach end up poisoning their kids perception of the coach, through their incessant complaining. In the end, they become the root cause of their negative experience. These parents are unknowingly teaching their kids to blame and fostering a "victim" mindset in their kids.

Parents who help their kid navigate the downsides of the situation are teaching them how to cope with adversity. And though the kid may not realize it, his positive attitude will lead to problem solving and positive life experiences down the road.

Yes problem, idiot, naive and dumb parents are a HUGE problem, but they are equally matched by crap coaching. Coaches do not want accountability, or subject to any oversight. In fact coaches want to be backed by associations that close borders, essentially forcing parents who want to have their kid play hockey, into one option. This allows the poisonous atmosphere, brutal coaching, and poor treatment of players and parents to continue.

BOTH groups are equally to blame for the sh!t minor hockey we find ourselves in.

If everywhere you go it smells like shit, check your shoes…it’s probably you.

Don't blame it all on the coach

Most coaches are piss poor communicators, in love with the game, can't teach it and maybe had a sniff playing Jr. C somewhere and now consider themselves "hockey guys" with "hockey knowledge", able to teach and coach kids. LOL Laughable, guys that dig ditches are there for a reason. People who teach and coach in your school system are at least educated. Not perfect system either but just outlining the difference. Think about how your hockey coaches treat players vs how teachers treat your kids!

Teachers are petrified to hold a kid accountable for anything these days, with the fear of of becoming the next viral sensation thanks to cell phone recordings. I know three teachers who openly say that they don't know the names of any of the kids in their class and no matter how poor a kid is doing, they give them a passing grade just so they don't have to deal with the parents.

Coaches hold kids accountable...which parents interpret as "poor communication" and "inability to teach"...when the reality is that the kid doesn't listen because he doensn't have listen in school or at home and thanks to his parents he doesn't understand the concept of merit based reward nor consequences based on his actions.

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:04 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:54 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:30 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:19 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:11 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:51 am Parent, x-player, paid, volunteer...no coach is perfect.

Parents who focus on the flaws in their kids coach end up poisoning their kids perception of the coach, through their incessant complaining. In the end, they become the root cause of their negative experience. These parents are unknowingly teaching their kids to blame and fostering a "victim" mindset in their kids.

Parents who help their kid navigate the downsides of the situation are teaching them how to cope with adversity. And though the kid may not realize it, his positive attitude will lead to problem solving and positive life experiences down the road.

Yes problem, idiot, naive and dumb parents are a HUGE problem, but they are equally matched by crap coaching. Coaches do not want accountability, or subject to any oversight. In fact coaches want to be backed by associations that close borders, essentially forcing parents who want to have their kid play hockey, into one option. This allows the poisonous atmosphere, brutal coaching, and poor treatment of players and parents to continue.

BOTH groups are equally to blame for the sh!t minor hockey we find ourselves in.

If everywhere you go it smells like shit, check your shoes…it’s probably you.

Don't blame it all on the coach

Most coaches are piss poor communicators, in love with the game, can't teach it and maybe had a sniff playing Jr. C somewhere and now consider themselves "hockey guys" with "hockey knowledge", able to teach and coach kids. LOL Laughable, guys that dig ditches are there for a reason. People who teach and coach in your school system are at least educated. Not perfect system either but just outlining the difference. Think about how your hockey coaches treat players vs how teachers treat your kids!

Teachers are petrified to hold a kid accountable for anything these days, with the fear of of becoming the next viral sensation thanks to cell phone recordings. I know three teachers who openly say that they don't know the names of any of the kids in their class and no matter how poor a kid is doing, they give them a passing grade just so they don't have to deal with the parents.

Coaches hold kids accountable...which parents interpret as "poor communication" and "inability to teach"...when the reality is that the kid doesn't listen because he doensn't have listen in school or at home and thanks to his parents he doesn't understand the concept of merit based reward nor consequences based on his actions.

FAR too many coaches are premedonnas. Ironically they sre nowhere good enough to be a premedonna.

Coaches are also unorganized, lack planning, don't take input from anyone and are know it alls, who are stuck in the 80's .

Coaches amd accountability should never be in the same sentence

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:00 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:04 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:54 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:30 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:19 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:11 am

Yes problem, idiot, naive and dumb parents are a HUGE problem, but they are equally matched by crap coaching. Coaches do not want accountability, or subject to any oversight. In fact coaches want to be backed by associations that close borders, essentially forcing parents who want to have their kid play hockey, into one option. This allows the poisonous atmosphere, brutal coaching, and poor treatment of players and parents to continue.

BOTH groups are equally to blame for the sh!t minor hockey we find ourselves in.

If everywhere you go it smells like shit, check your shoes…it’s probably you.

Don't blame it all on the coach

Most coaches are piss poor communicators, in love with the game, can't teach it and maybe had a sniff playing Jr. C somewhere and now consider themselves "hockey guys" with "hockey knowledge", able to teach and coach kids. LOL Laughable, guys that dig ditches are there for a reason. People who teach and coach in your school system are at least educated. Not perfect system either but just outlining the difference. Think about how your hockey coaches treat players vs how teachers treat your kids!

Teachers are petrified to hold a kid accountable for anything these days, with the fear of of becoming the next viral sensation thanks to cell phone recordings. I know three teachers who openly say that they don't know the names of any of the kids in their class and no matter how poor a kid is doing, they give them a passing grade just so they don't have to deal with the parents.

Coaches hold kids accountable...which parents interpret as "poor communication" and "inability to teach"...when the reality is that the kid doesn't listen because he doensn't have listen in school or at home and thanks to his parents he doesn't understand the concept of merit based reward nor consequences based on his actions.

FAR too many coaches are premedonnas. Ironically they sre nowhere good enough to be a premedonna.

Coaches are also unorganized, lack planning, don't take input from anyone and are know it alls, who are stuck in the 80's .

Coaches amd accountability should never be in the same sentence

Says the parent of the most entitled, delicate and confused generation of kids the world has ever seen. The parents of these fragile kids are the ones who are failing them…not teachers or coaches.

Far too many parents focus on preparing the road for their kids, rather than preparing their kids for the road.

Thanks to todays failed parenting, 8 out 10 kids who play any team sport today don’t have the mental and emotional fortitude nor sport IQ necessary to be coached.

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:40 pm yawn, premedonnas

I'm just going to save you some future embarrassment when someone corrects you publicly since you make this mistake repeatedly. The word is "primadonnas" not premedonnas. They aren't future doctors.

You are not wrong. The parents lack accountability and that is passed on to the offspring. It is never, "my son had a poor game" it is always, he had no help, the coach did not put him out there in key situations, Johnny won't pass to him, that one dad is 100% paying the coach for ice time etc.

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:32 am You are not wrong. The parents lack accountability and that is passed on to the offspring. It is never, "my son had a poor game" it is always, he had no help, the coach did not put him out there in key situations, Johnny won't pass to him, that one dad is 100% paying the coach for ice time etc.

Yes that does happen sometimes. What happens more though, is a coach who runs horrible practices, has favorites, doesn't communicate with parents, has no long term plan, spends our money without a care, can't connect with players, brings on friends, or other parents who also have self interest to the coaching staff, etc. Coaches are fare too often given free reign and want zero accountability and this goes to their heads. They are too often, not that educated, and OK hockey players. Or they can be long time coaches who think their sh!t doesn't stink. Many times they only reason they keep their job is because they're part of a closed center. Give parents a choice and watch these inept people drop like flies.

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:32 am You are not wrong. The parents lack accountability and that is passed on to the offspring. It is never, "my son had a poor game" it is always, he had no help, the coach did not put him out there in key situations, Johnny won't pass to him, that one dad is 100% paying the coach for ice time etc.

They want volunteer non-parent coaches, which limits the pool of potential candidates;

They could have an older coach, who's financially established or even semi-retired and in need of a hobby because his kids have grown. The problem is that an older coach wouldn't be equipped or be willing to adapt to the the way todays kids need to be a coddled.

Then they could have a younger coach, who doesn't have kids yet, and has no career ambition outside hockey. Although he would have zero experience when it comes to raising kids and couldn't be empathetic toward the challenges of balancing family life, he would likely have some significant hockey experience but would lack education and training on how to communicate with todays youth. This coaches training would come from his hockey culture which, according to the media, is bigoted and misogynistic. Most likely not the communicator these parents are looking for and would expect a heft salary because he has no other source of income.

They could have a younger coach, who doesn't have kids yet, who is educated and trained on how to "communicate" with todays youth. He would most likely have less hockey experience, but would have an in-depth understanding about importance of inclusivity and gender politics. However, this coach would be starting a career elsewhere and be focussing on his personal life rather than the team. Complaints would definitely be handled by the appointed parent team manager, whose kid is terrible but the org gave them the team and he hired the coach. The coach would also expect a hefty as he's only coaching to supplement his income as he is trying to boost his financial situation.

Then there's a middle-aged coach who is educated and trained, well established in their career and financially stable. This coach would have excellent communication skills, to the degree that they hold a leadership role in their company and their life experience includes working through the challenges of family life. These coaches have kids who want to play hockey, so they are prepared to be at the rink for every practice and every game, at no cost to the team. However...their kid would be on the team, therefore he is automatically out of the running.

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:48 am

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:32 am You are not wrong. The parents lack accountability and that is passed on to the offspring. It is never, "my son had a poor game" it is always, he had no help, the coach did not put him out there in key situations, Johnny won't pass to him, that one dad is 100% paying the coach for ice time etc.

Yes that does happen sometimes. What happens more though, is a coach who runs horrible practices, has favorites, doesn't communicate with parents, has no long term plan, spends our money without a care, can't connect with players, brings on friends, or other parents who also have self interest to the coaching staff, etc. Coaches are fare too often given free reign and want zero accountability and this goes to their heads. They are too often, not that educated, and OK hockey players. Or they can be long time coaches who think their sh!t doesn't stink. Many times they only reason they keep their job is because they're part of a closed center. Give parents a choice and watch these inept people drop like flies.

You want to shift the topic to "borders"?

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Guest wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:00 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:04 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:54 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:30 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:19 pm

If everywhere you go it smells like shit, check your shoes…it’s probably you.

Don't blame it all on the coach

Most coaches are piss poor communicators, in love with the game, can't teach it and maybe had a sniff playing Jr. C somewhere and now consider themselves "hockey guys" with "hockey knowledge", able to teach and coach kids. LOL Laughable, guys that dig ditches are there for a reason. People who teach and coach in your school system are at least educated. Not perfect system either but just outlining the difference. Think about how your hockey coaches treat players vs how teachers treat your kids!

Teachers are petrified to hold a kid accountable for anything these days, with the fear of of becoming the next viral sensation thanks to cell phone recordings. I know three teachers who openly say that they don't know the names of any of the kids in their class and no matter how poor a kid is doing, they give them a passing grade just so they don't have to deal with the parents.

Coaches hold kids accountable...which parents interpret as "poor communication" and "inability to teach"...when the reality is that the kid doesn't listen because he doensn't have listen in school or at home and thanks to his parents he doesn't understand the concept of merit based reward nor consequences based on his actions.

FAR too many coaches are premedonnas. Ironically they sre nowhere good enough to be a premedonna.

Coaches are also unorganized, lack planning, don't take input from anyone and are know it alls, who are stuck in the 80's .

Coaches amd accountability should never be in the same sentence

Says the parent of the most entitled, delicate and confused generation of kids the world has ever seen. The parents of these fragile kids are the ones who are failing them…not teachers or coaches.

Far too many parents focus on preparing the road for their kids, rather than preparing their kids for the road.

Thanks to todays failed parenting, 8 out 10 kids who play any team sport today don’t have the mental and emotional fortitude nor sport IQ necessary to be coached.

So you want accountability to go only one way!

Typical of JT supporters.

Put yourself out there and give parents a choice so they can play for you, in your self absorbed low level hockey program, or leave freely-no strings. Coaches like you need protection and don't want people to have choice. You're weak, afraid and need administrative protection. Try earning your way for once and stand on your own. Have some dignity. You don't have the coping skills or resiliency to deal with being held accountable. That requires hard work and integrity. You have neither.

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:19 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:00 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:04 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:54 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:30 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:19 pm

If everywhere you go it smells like shit, check your shoes…it’s probably you.

Don't blame it all on the coach

Most coaches are piss poor communicators, in love with the game, can't teach it and maybe had a sniff playing Jr. C somewhere and now consider themselves "hockey guys" with "hockey knowledge", able to teach and coach kids. LOL Laughable, guys that dig ditches are there for a reason. People who teach and coach in your school system are at least educated. Not perfect system either but just outlining the difference. Think about how your hockey coaches treat players vs how teachers treat your kids!

Teachers are petrified to hold a kid accountable for anything these days, with the fear of of becoming the next viral sensation thanks to cell phone recordings. I know three teachers who openly say that they don't know the names of any of the kids in their class and no matter how poor a kid is doing, they give them a passing grade just so they don't have to deal with the parents.

Coaches hold kids accountable...which parents interpret as "poor communication" and "inability to teach"...when the reality is that the kid doesn't listen because he doensn't have listen in school or at home and thanks to his parents he doesn't understand the concept of merit based reward nor consequences based on his actions.

FAR too many coaches are premedonnas. Ironically they sre nowhere good enough to be a premedonna.

Coaches are also unorganized, lack planning, don't take input from anyone and are know it alls, who are stuck in the 80's .

Coaches amd accountability should never be in the same sentence

Says the parent of the most entitled, delicate and confused generation of kids the world has ever seen. The parents of these fragile kids are the ones who are failing them…not teachers or coaches.

Far too many parents focus on preparing the road for their kids, rather than preparing their kids for the road.

Thanks to todays failed parenting, 8 out 10 kids who play any team sport today don’t have the mental and emotional fortitude nor sport IQ necessary to be coached.

I'm glad i don't see the world through your eyes, that's kinda pathetic.