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Guest wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 10:35 am Most coaching is FAR below what should be expected. ZERO accountability, long term planning, collaboration and brutal communication with players and parents. Most are stuck in 80's style coaching.

Private coaching has "by far" the biggest and most positive impact on player development. The team coach is nearly redundant-more of a manager really. At the U16 and up ages, they offer value for teaching how to "think" the game. Even then, they can't teach fundamentals, never could.

Most coaches you are referring to were born in the 80's, some were born in the 90's and they've all completed the same D1 and HP training developed by HC. The training models are current and they are subject to the scrutiny of the org, the parent group of the team and the entire minor hockey community... in other words, they are not stuck in the 80's... the problem is you.

When your kid fails to meet the expectations of a HC and that coach holds him accountable, you accuse the coach of being stuck int he 80's.

When a paid instructor (who is often not a coach) takes your money and tells you how great your kid is, you think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. FYI - believing that your private instructor is teaching your kid how to "think the game" without being at the game to see him play is hilarious.

This can't be a real post? Can it? HC, as well meaning as they are, have ZERO buy in to ANY of their coaching clinics, certifications or coaching plans. ZERO

There's literally no long term plan in any association, and EVERY coach, specifically at the higher competitive levels, will LAUGH at HC coach courses and roll their eyes at having to take the course. They ONLY do so because it's mandatory. There is literally no cooperation from coaches at different age groups or levels of play. You get what you get for a coach, and HOPE he's good. The next year your coach will be different, have different priorities, different strategies, different language in explaining things and there's ZERO consistent message to the kids. A coach at one level, doesn't give two shits what the coach at another level is doing. A coach of one age group couldn't care less about what the other age groups are doing. You wouldn't teach people anything, anywhere in this manner! Coaching should be curriculum based, and the coaches can participate in the building of the curriculum, but after that the plan must be followed in order for it to work.

NO ONE ever said a skills or skating coach taught the thinking aspects of the game. Comprehension is lost on you. I even conceded and said at U15 and up, this becomes at least somewhat of a mission for a HC. Even then I would probably trust the skills coach more.

Ask yourself what players do in the offseason to improve their game. What do they spend most of their time on? It's usually technical skating and skills. Working their shot. Working position specific situations. Getting in the gym. What are they NOT doing? They aren't going to class sessions to learn a better PK or PP, or how to play withing a system.

So who's more valuable to your kid reaching his potential?

Naive posts like yours are so brutal I just have to laugh.

^^^hook line and sinker, hahaha.

You're butt hurt by the truth

Don't care

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:49 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:27 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:38 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 6:21 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:27 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 10:35 am Most coaching is FAR below what should be expected. ZERO accountability, long term planning, collaboration and brutal communication with players and parents. Most are stuck in 80's style coaching.

Private coaching has "by far" the biggest and most positive impact on player development. The team coach is nearly redundant-more of a manager really. At the U16 and up ages, they offer value for teaching how to "think" the game. Even then, they can't teach fundamentals, never could.

Most coaches you are referring to were born in the 80's, some were born in the 90's and they've all completed the same D1 and HP training developed by HC. The training models are current and they are subject to the scrutiny of the org, the parent group of the team and the entire minor hockey community... in other words, they are not stuck in the 80's... the problem is you.

When your kid fails to meet the expectations of a HC and that coach holds him accountable, you accuse the coach of being stuck int he 80's.

When a paid instructor (who is often not a coach) takes your money and tells you how great your kid is, you think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. FYI - believing that your private instructor is teaching your kid how to "think the game" without being at the game to see him play is hilarious.

This can't be a real post? Can it? HC, as well meaning as they are, have ZERO buy in to ANY of their coaching clinics, certifications or coaching plans. ZERO

There's literally no long term plan in any association, and EVERY coach, specifically at the higher competitive levels, will LAUGH at HC coach courses and roll their eyes at having to take the course. They ONLY do so because it's mandatory. There is literally no cooperation from coaches at different age groups or levels of play. You get what you get for a coach, and HOPE he's good. The next year your coach will be different, have different priorities, different strategies, different language in explaining things and there's ZERO consistent message to the kids. A coach at one level, doesn't give two shits what the coach at another level is doing. A coach of one age group couldn't care less about what the other age groups are doing. You wouldn't teach people anything, anywhere in this manner! Coaching should be curriculum based, and the coaches can participate in the building of the curriculum, but after that the plan must be followed in order for it to work.

NO ONE ever said a skills or skating coach taught the thinking aspects of the game. Comprehension is lost on you. I even conceded and said at U15 and up, this becomes at least somewhat of a mission for a HC. Even then I would probably trust the skills coach more.

Ask yourself what players do in the offseason to improve their game. What do they spend most of their time on? It's usually technical skating and skills. Working their shot. Working position specific situations. Getting in the gym. What are they NOT doing? They aren't going to class sessions to learn a better PK or PP, or how to play withing a system.

So who's more valuable to your kid reaching his potential?

Naive posts like yours are so brutal I just have to laugh.

^^^hook line and sinker, hahaha.

You're butt hurt by the truth

Don't care

what's brutal fella is @sshole coaches period, don't matter where, how old, experience. If you're a d*ck you're a d*ck. No one bitches for being held accountable, the snowflakes are the jocks who scored 20 goals in Jr D and think they're a hockey guru. When you call them out for being a drunk d*ck loser coach who are not putting in anything positive or valuable it's the kids fault? or the parents fault? lol Ok pal, give re-living your days of being a half wit back in the day and go back to your barstool. That is one seat you know how to fill!

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Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:49 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:27 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:38 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 6:21 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:27 pm

Most coaches you are referring to were born in the 80's, some were born in the 90's and they've all completed the same D1 and HP training developed by HC. The training models are current and they are subject to the scrutiny of the org, the parent group of the team and the entire minor hockey community... in other words, they are not stuck in the 80's... the problem is you.

When your kid fails to meet the expectations of a HC and that coach holds him accountable, you accuse the coach of being stuck int he 80's.

When a paid instructor (who is often not a coach) takes your money and tells you how great your kid is, you think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. FYI - believing that your private instructor is teaching your kid how to "think the game" without being at the game to see him play is hilarious.

This can't be a real post? Can it? HC, as well meaning as they are, have ZERO buy in to ANY of their coaching clinics, certifications or coaching plans. ZERO

There's literally no long term plan in any association, and EVERY coach, specifically at the higher competitive levels, will LAUGH at HC coach courses and roll their eyes at having to take the course. They ONLY do so because it's mandatory. There is literally no cooperation from coaches at different age groups or levels of play. You get what you get for a coach, and HOPE he's good. The next year your coach will be different, have different priorities, different strategies, different language in explaining things and there's ZERO consistent message to the kids. A coach at one level, doesn't give two shits what the coach at another level is doing. A coach of one age group couldn't care less about what the other age groups are doing. You wouldn't teach people anything, anywhere in this manner! Coaching should be curriculum based, and the coaches can participate in the building of the curriculum, but after that the plan must be followed in order for it to work.

NO ONE ever said a skills or skating coach taught the thinking aspects of the game. Comprehension is lost on you. I even conceded and said at U15 and up, this becomes at least somewhat of a mission for a HC. Even then I would probably trust the skills coach more.

Ask yourself what players do in the offseason to improve their game. What do they spend most of their time on? It's usually technical skating and skills. Working their shot. Working position specific situations. Getting in the gym. What are they NOT doing? They aren't going to class sessions to learn a better PK or PP, or how to play withing a system.

So who's more valuable to your kid reaching his potential?

Naive posts like yours are so brutal I just have to laugh.

^^^hook line and sinker, hahaha.

You're butt hurt by the truth

Don't care

what's brutal fella is @sshole coaches period, don't matter where, how old, experience. If you're a d*ck you're a d*ck. No one bitches for being held accountable, the snowflakes are the jocks who scored 20 goals in Jr D and think they're a hockey guru. When you call them out for being a drunk d*ck loser coach who are not putting in anything positive or valuable it's the kids fault? or the parents fault? lol Ok pal, give re-living your days of being a half wit back in the day and go back to your barstool. That is one seat you know how to fill!

The fact that you've accomplished significantly less in hockey than the coaches your chirping, makes your post hilarious.

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Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:24 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:49 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:27 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:38 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 6:21 pm


This can't be a real post? Can it? HC, as well meaning as they are, have ZERO buy in to ANY of their coaching clinics, certifications or coaching plans. ZERO

There's literally no long term plan in any association, and EVERY coach, specifically at the higher competitive levels, will LAUGH at HC coach courses and roll their eyes at having to take the course. They ONLY do so because it's mandatory. There is literally no cooperation from coaches at different age groups or levels of play. You get what you get for a coach, and HOPE he's good. The next year your coach will be different, have different priorities, different strategies, different language in explaining things and there's ZERO consistent message to the kids. A coach at one level, doesn't give two shits what the coach at another level is doing. A coach of one age group couldn't care less about what the other age groups are doing. You wouldn't teach people anything, anywhere in this manner! Coaching should be curriculum based, and the coaches can participate in the building of the curriculum, but after that the plan must be followed in order for it to work.

NO ONE ever said a skills or skating coach taught the thinking aspects of the game. Comprehension is lost on you. I even conceded and said at U15 and up, this becomes at least somewhat of a mission for a HC. Even then I would probably trust the skills coach more.

Ask yourself what players do in the offseason to improve their game. What do they spend most of their time on? It's usually technical skating and skills. Working their shot. Working position specific situations. Getting in the gym. What are they NOT doing? They aren't going to class sessions to learn a better PK or PP, or how to play withing a system.

So who's more valuable to your kid reaching his potential?

Naive posts like yours are so brutal I just have to laugh.

^^^hook line and sinker, hahaha.

You're butt hurt by the truth

Don't care

what's brutal fella is @sshole coaches period, don't matter where, how old, experience. If you're a d*ck you're a d*ck. No one bitches for being held accountable, the snowflakes are the jocks who scored 20 goals in Jr D and think they're a hockey guru. When you call them out for being a drunk d*ck loser coach who are not putting in anything positive or valuable it's the kids fault? or the parents fault? lol Ok pal, give re-living your days of being a half wit back in the day and go back to your barstool. That is one seat you know how to fill!

The fact that you've accomplished significantly less in hockey than the coaches your chirping, makes your post hilarious.

No not really to be honest. It just means I don't live in the past from sh*t I did 20 years ago!

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Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:52 am

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:24 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:49 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:27 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:38 pm

^^^hook line and sinker, hahaha.

You're butt hurt by the truth

Don't care

what's brutal fella is @sshole coaches period, don't matter where, how old, experience. If you're a d*ck you're a d*ck. No one bitches for being held accountable, the snowflakes are the jocks who scored 20 goals in Jr D and think they're a hockey guru. When you call them out for being a drunk d*ck loser coach who are not putting in anything positive or valuable it's the kids fault? or the parents fault? lol Ok pal, give re-living your days of being a half wit back in the day and go back to your barstool. That is one seat you know how to fill!

The fact that you've accomplished significantly less in hockey than the coaches your chirping, makes your post hilarious.

No not really to be honest. It just means I don't live in the past from sh*t I did 20 years ago!

So you were a low level hockey player then, and an even lower level coach. I get it.

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Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:31 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:52 am

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:24 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:49 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:27 pm

You're butt hurt by the truth

Don't care

what's brutal fella is @sshole coaches period, don't matter where, how old, experience. If you're a d*ck you're a d*ck. No one bitches for being held accountable, the snowflakes are the jocks who scored 20 goals in Jr D and think they're a hockey guru. When you call them out for being a drunk d*ck loser coach who are not putting in anything positive or valuable it's the kids fault? or the parents fault? lol Ok pal, give re-living your days of being a half wit back in the day and go back to your barstool. That is one seat you know how to fill!

The fact that you've accomplished significantly less in hockey than the coaches your chirping, makes your post hilarious.

No not really to be honest. It just means I don't live in the past from sh*t I did 20 years ago!

So you were a low level hockey player then, and an even lower level coach. I get it.

Do ya? I don't think ya do but assume away, it adds for more BS out here! Have another beer it's noon somewhere right!?!

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:27 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:36 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:31 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:52 am

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:24 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:49 pm

what's brutal fella is @sshole coaches period, don't matter where, how old, experience. If you're a d*ck you're a d*ck. No one bitches for being held accountable, the snowflakes are the jocks who scored 20 goals in Jr D and think they're a hockey guru. When you call them out for being a drunk d*ck loser coach who are not putting in anything positive or valuable it's the kids fault? or the parents fault? lol Ok pal, give re-living your days of being a half wit back in the day and go back to your barstool. That is one seat you know how to fill!

The fact that you've accomplished significantly less in hockey than the coaches your chirping, makes your post hilarious.

No not really to be honest. It just means I don't live in the past from sh*t I did 20 years ago!

So you were a low level hockey player then, and an even lower level coach. I get it.

Do ya? I don't think ya do but assume away, it adds for more BS out here! Have another beer it's noon somewhere right!?!

Nothing more ridiculous than parents complaining about coaching.
If you don't like their coaching, sign up to coach.
If you don't want parent coaches, play somewhere that pays an outside coach.

Nothing else needs to be said here. Conversation over. Yall sound like entitled 15 year Olds. Not grown adults.

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:09 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:27 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:36 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:31 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:52 am

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:24 am

The fact that you've accomplished significantly less in hockey than the coaches your chirping, makes your post hilarious.

No not really to be honest. It just means I don't live in the past from sh*t I did 20 years ago!

So you were a low level hockey player then, and an even lower level coach. I get it.

Do ya? I don't think ya do but assume away, it adds for more BS out here! Have another beer it's noon somewhere right!?!

Nothing more ridiculous than parents complaining about coaching.
If you don't like their coaching, sign up to coach.
If you don't want parent coaches, play somewhere that pays an outside coach.

Nothing else needs to be said here. Conversation over. Yall sound like entitled 15 year Olds. Not grown adults.

I tell you what to do.

You're a horrible coach and want no accountability.

Get over yourself to bad yku need closed borders to keep your job. You're not good enough to stand on your own merit.

Pathetic

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:52 am

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:24 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:49 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:27 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:38 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 6:21 pm


This can't be a real post? Can it? HC, as well meaning as they are, have ZERO buy in to ANY of their coaching clinics, certifications or coaching plans. ZERO

There's literally no long term plan in any association, and EVERY coach, specifically at the higher competitive levels, will LAUGH at HC coach courses and roll their eyes at having to take the course. They ONLY do so because it's mandatory. There is literally no cooperation from coaches at different age groups or levels of play. You get what you get for a coach, and HOPE he's good. The next year your coach will be different, have different priorities, different strategies, different language in explaining things and there's ZERO consistent message to the kids. A coach at one level, doesn't give two shits what the coach at another level is doing. A coach of one age group couldn't care less about what the other age groups are doing. You wouldn't teach people anything, anywhere in this manner! Coaching should be curriculum based, and the coaches can participate in the building of the curriculum, but after that the plan must be followed in order for it to work.

NO ONE ever said a skills or skating coach taught the thinking aspects of the game. Comprehension is lost on you. I even conceded and said at U15 and up, this becomes at least somewhat of a mission for a HC. Even then I would probably trust the skills coach more.

Ask yourself what players do in the offseason to improve their game. What do they spend most of their time on? It's usually technical skating and skills. Working their shot. Working position specific situations. Getting in the gym. What are they NOT doing? They aren't going to class sessions to learn a better PK or PP, or how to play withing a system.

So who's more valuable to your kid reaching his potential?

Naive posts like yours are so brutal I just have to laugh.

^^^hook line and sinker, hahaha.

You're butt hurt by the truth

Don't care

what's brutal fella is @sshole coaches period, don't matter where, how old, experience. If you're a d*ck you're a d*ck. No one bitches for being held accountable, the snowflakes are the jocks who scored 20 goals in Jr D and think they're a hockey guru. When you call them out for being a drunk d*ck loser coach who are not putting in anything positive or valuable it's the kids fault? or the parents fault? lol Ok pal, give re-living your days of being a half wit back in the day and go back to your barstool. That is one seat you know how to fill!

The fact that you've accomplished significantly less in hockey than the coaches your chirping, makes your post hilarious.

No not really to be honest. It just means I don't live in the past from sh*t I did 20 years ago!

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:49 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:27 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:38 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 6:21 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:27 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 10:35 am Most coaching is FAR below what should be expected. ZERO accountability, long term planning, collaboration and brutal communication with players and parents. Most are stuck in 80's style coaching.

Private coaching has "by far" the biggest and most positive impact on player development. The team coach is nearly redundant-more of a manager really. At the U16 and up ages, they offer value for teaching how to "think" the game. Even then, they can't teach fundamentals, never could.

Most coaches you are referring to were born in the 80's, some were born in the 90's and they've all completed the same D1 and HP training developed by HC. The training models are current and they are subject to the scrutiny of the org, the parent group of the team and the entire minor hockey community... in other words, they are not stuck in the 80's... the problem is you.

When your kid fails to meet the expectations of a HC and that coach holds him accountable, you accuse the coach of being stuck int he 80's.

When a paid instructor (who is often not a coach) takes your money and tells you how great your kid is, you think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. FYI - believing that your private instructor is teaching your kid how to "think the game" without being at the game to see him play is hilarious.

This can't be a real post? Can it? HC, as well meaning as they are, have ZERO buy in to ANY of their coaching clinics, certifications or coaching plans. ZERO

There's literally no long term plan in any association, and EVERY coach, specifically at the higher competitive levels, will LAUGH at HC coach courses and roll their eyes at having to take the course. They ONLY do so because it's mandatory. There is literally no cooperation from coaches at different age groups or levels of play. You get what you get for a coach, and HOPE he's good. The next year your coach will be different, have different priorities, different strategies, different language in explaining things and there's ZERO consistent message to the kids. A coach at one level, doesn't give two shits what the coach at another level is doing. A coach of one age group couldn't care less about what the other age groups are doing. You wouldn't teach people anything, anywhere in this manner! Coaching should be curriculum based, and the coaches can participate in the building of the curriculum, but after that the plan must be followed in order for it to work.

NO ONE ever said a skills or skating coach taught the thinking aspects of the game. Comprehension is lost on you. I even conceded and said at U15 and up, this becomes at least somewhat of a mission for a HC. Even then I would probably trust the skills coach more.

Ask yourself what players do in the offseason to improve their game. What do they spend most of their time on? It's usually technical skating and skills. Working their shot. Working position specific situations. Getting in the gym. What are they NOT doing? They aren't going to class sessions to learn a better PK or PP, or how to play withing a system.

So who's more valuable to your kid reaching his potential?

Naive posts like yours are so brutal I just have to laugh.

^^^hook line and sinker, hahaha.

You're butt hurt by the truth

Don't care

what's brutal fella is @sshole coaches period, don't matter where, how old, experience. If you're a d*ck you're a d*ck. No one bitches for being held accountable, the snowflakes are the jocks who scored 20 goals in Jr D and think they're a hockey guru. When you call them out for being a drunk d*ck loser coach who are not putting in anything positive or valuable it's the kids fault? or the parents fault? lol Ok pal, give re-living your days of being a half wit back in the day and go back to your barstool. That is one seat you know how to fill!