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Guest wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:37 am St No Names is the centre which AAA is based on

Conceivably Lambeth could apply to the OMHA as a AAA centre as they are not Alliance

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Guest wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:11 pm I don’t see emc opening up AA. The emc cuts would be average to weak AA players and I don’t think emc wants to ruin their reputation.

London with 1 AAA 2 AA and 2 A teams is a joke. No way there is enough talent for 2 AA teams.

They should just have one team for all levels. You wanna force kids to get better? This is how you do it. Not by having a kid play AA when really the kid is a single A player.

All about the money though so I doubt anything will ever change.

Any EMC cuts are in LJK, CKC, or SJS

There are also a lot of kids who know they wont make EMC. In fact wont even be given a fair look. So why bother trying out. Many families dont want the practice drive to sarnia or chatham. So there's some kids who dont even bother who could compete for a AA team. Just stay in Shamrock. LJK AA or mustangs A wont NRP as well, understandably. I think the whole reason EMC has a AAA and no AA team. 1. Had no choice. Region had to alliance. 2. Omha prob said no to emc AA as an understanding because it would have killed shamrock. I think today the 2 mustang teams would compete in shamrock. Problem still is LJK AA playing A teams. It's a bad mix really. Suggestion. Get rid of alliance and omha. Like 2 bitchy siblings fighting over a $10 inheritance.

Well, what is the master plan? Get rid of them, thennnnn?

ONE governing body at provincial level. Why do we need 4 or 5? balanced AAA to A hockey made by #'s and region and open borders to follow well run associations and good coaching development programs. Everyone screams about wanting freedom in this country and we're run by commies. Why not freedom in hockey too?

You do have freedom!! No one is forcing you to live were you live. If it is so vitally important to you that your kid play on team that is not his home center, than just move to that center, and presto he will be on the team that you want him to be on.

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Any EMC cuts are in LJK, CKC, or SJS

There are also a lot of kids who know they wont make EMC. In fact wont even be given a fair look. So why bother trying out. Many families dont want the practice drive to sarnia or chatham. So there's some kids who dont even bother who could compete for a AA team. Just stay in Shamrock. LJK AA or mustangs A wont NRP as well, understandably. I think the whole reason EMC has a AAA and no AA team. 1. Had no choice. Region had to alliance. 2. Omha prob said no to emc AA as an understanding because it would have killed shamrock. I think today the 2 mustang teams would compete in shamrock. Problem still is LJK AA playing A teams. It's a bad mix really. Suggestion. Get rid of alliance and omha. Like 2 bitchy siblings fighting over a $10 inheritance.

Well, what is the master plan? Get rid of them, thennnnn?

ONE governing body at provincial level. Why do we need 4 or 5? balanced AAA to A hockey made by #'s and region and open borders to follow well run associations and good coaching development programs. Everyone screams about wanting freedom in this country and we're run by commies. Why not freedom in hockey too?

You do have freedom!! No one is forcing you to live were you live. If it is so vitally important to you that your kid play on team that is not his home center, than just move to that center, and presto he will be on the team that you want him to be on.

So if I want to drive on a different highway i should just buy a different car? In this country so many idiots whine about no freedoms on being asked to wear a mask and recommending you get a vaccine but they're ok with hockey borders and no freedom of movement? It's not difficult to comprehend, well maybe for you. The model would be similar to open borders in girls hockey.

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Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:36 am

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:40 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:13 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:37 am

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:56 am

There are also a lot of kids who know they wont make EMC. In fact wont even be given a fair look. So why bother trying out. Many families dont want the practice drive to sarnia or chatham. So there's some kids who dont even bother who could compete for a AA team. Just stay in Shamrock. LJK AA or mustangs A wont NRP as well, understandably. I think the whole reason EMC has a AAA and no AA team. 1. Had no choice. Region had to alliance. 2. Omha prob said no to emc AA as an understanding because it would have killed shamrock. I think today the 2 mustang teams would compete in shamrock. Problem still is LJK AA playing A teams. It's a bad mix really. Suggestion. Get rid of alliance and omha. Like 2 bitchy siblings fighting over a $10 inheritance.

Well, what is the master plan? Get rid of them, thennnnn?

ONE governing body at provincial level. Why do we need 4 or 5? balanced AAA to A hockey made by #'s and region and open borders to follow well run associations and good coaching development programs. Everyone screams about wanting freedom in this country and we're run by commies. Why not freedom in hockey too?

You do have freedom!! No one is forcing you to live were you live. If it is so vitally important to you that your kid play on team that is not his home center, than just move to that center, and presto he will be on the team that you want him to be on.

So if I want to drive on a different highway i should just buy a different car? In this country so many idiots whine about no freedoms on being asked to wear a mask and recommending you get a vaccine but they're ok with hockey borders and no freedom of movement? It's not difficult to comprehend, well maybe for you. The model would be similar to open borders in girls hockey.

All this crying just because your kid has to play tier 2 AA... it will be okay, let them have fun dad.

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:31 pm So wait the tier 2 AA team will have to play the tier 1 AA team? I don't get it. There really should just be the 1 AA team and if your kid doesn't make it you play single A until you are good enough to make AA. Having a tiered system isn't going to help the better AA team as they'll be playing weak compeition. Kind of like how it is now with these other centres that do not pull from the same pool of kids that London does. It's just a dumb decision all around. LJK has to keep those second tier teams for the $$$$. As if they care about development. If they truly cared the majority of these parent coaches would be gone! Or never selected in the first place. Look at the U13 White team. Coaches kid should never have made AA and yet because dad coaches he auto makes it. How stupid is that? Oh but better for development. Yada yada yada.

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Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:31 pm So wait the tier 2 AA team will have to play the tier 1 AA team? I don't get it. There really should just be the 1 AA team and if your kid doesn't make it you play single A until you are good enough to make AA. Having a tiered system isn't going to help the better AA team as they'll be playing weak compeition. Kind of like how it is now with these other centres that do not pull from the same pool of kids that London does. It's just a dumb decision all around. LJK has to keep those second tier teams for the $$$$. As if they care about development. If they truly cared the majority of these parent coaches would be gone! Or never selected in the first place. Look at the U13 White team. Coaches kid should never have made AA and yet because dad coaches he auto makes it. How stupid is that? Oh but better for development. Yada yada yada.

How coaching decisions get decided will have some political nuances with parents involved that’s always a given. U13 coach is a very qualified coach with a winning season and his son deserves a spot on the team. Having qualified non-parent options are fairly limited unless org is willing to compensate but even that is fairly focussed to the AAA level.

We all have seen the Tommy Toe Draggers of the minor atom years that light the lamp and are dominant young players level off by the bantam years with a few examples that don’t even play hockey anymore at that age. This is just a development and growth reality. We’ve also seen (perhaps even more) examples of kids playing A and AA at the onset of competitive hockey that mature into high end AAA hockey players. So let’s ask ourselves…when making these decisions are we DEVELOPING or are we PROTECTING? What is our TRUE motive?

If the answer was to genuinely develop young hockey players LJK would create a scenario of mass development at the younger ages. Not all ages. Not only would this serve to support a greater number of players in the LJK pool but it would continue to support their piggy bank. Minor Atom to Minor Bantam…2 AAA teams. This would allow kids to see the opportunity they deserve in their most developmentally sensitive years. At that point you narrow down the draft chasers from bantam onwards to one AAA team that by that point should have some good options to select a very strong AAA team.
Wait!!! That strategy might have the potential to sacrifice the early years of alliance championships and Silver Sticks!!

If the answer is protecting the LJK “corporate image” at the highest level at ALL ages then that is a shame. Birth year strength will vary from year to year but the developmental plan for an organization does not have to.

London is the 11th largest city in Canada…we have the population base to draw from to make this happen. The number of good hockey players within the city that move out at young ages to play in other cities (rarely to return) is a true shame. This is the bigger problem. This can be fixed…but the reality is a small group of like minded people don’t see it this way. An organization needs constant board change to maintain a healthy status. A status that sees a balance of decision making while minimizing political influence.

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Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:31 pm So wait the tier 2 AA team will have to play the tier 1 AA team? I don't get it. There really should just be the 1 AA team and if your kid doesn't make it you play single A until you are good enough to make AA. Having a tiered system isn't going to help the better AA team as they'll be playing weak compeition. Kind of like how it is now with these other centres that do not pull from the same pool of kids that London does. It's just a dumb decision all around. LJK has to keep those second tier teams for the $$$$. As if they care about development. If they truly cared the majority of these parent coaches would be gone! Or never selected in the first place. Look at the U13 White team. Coaches kid should never have made AA and yet because dad coaches he auto makes it. How stupid is that? Oh but better for development. Yada yada yada.

How coaching decisions get decided will have some political nuances with parents involved that’s always a given. U13 coach is a very qualified coach with a winning season and his son deserves a spot on the team. Having qualified non-parent options are fairly limited unless org is willing to compensate but even that is fairly focussed to the AAA level.

We all have seen the Tommy Toe Draggers of the minor atom years that light the lamp and are dominant young players level off by the bantam years with a few examples that don’t even play hockey anymore at that age. This is just a development and growth reality. We’ve also seen (perhaps even more) examples of kids playing A and AA at the onset of competitive hockey that mature into high end AAA hockey players. So let’s ask ourselves…when making these decisions are we DEVELOPING or are we PROTECTING? What is our TRUE motive?

If the answer was to genuinely develop young hockey players LJK would create a scenario of mass development at the younger ages. Not all ages. Not only would this serve to support a greater number of players in the LJK pool but it would continue to support their piggy bank. Minor Atom to Minor Bantam…2 AAA teams. This would allow kids to see the opportunity they deserve in their most developmentally sensitive years. At that point you narrow down the draft chasers from bantam onwards to one AAA team that by that point should have some good options to select a very strong AAA team.
Wait!!! That strategy might have the potential to sacrifice the early years of alliance championships and Silver Sticks!!

If the answer is protecting the LJK “corporate image” at the highest level at ALL ages then that is a shame. Birth year strength will vary from year to year but the developmental plan for an organization does not have to.

London is the 11th largest city in Canada…we have the population base to draw from to make this happen. The number of good hockey players within the city that move out at young ages to play in other cities (rarely to return) is a true shame. This is the bigger problem. This can be fixed…but the reality is a small group of like minded people don’t see it this way. An organization needs constant board change to maintain a healthy status. A status that sees a balance of decision making while minimizing political influence.

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Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:45 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:31 pm So wait the tier 2 AA team will have to play the tier 1 AA team? I don't get it. There really should just be the 1 AA team and if your kid doesn't make it you play single A until you are good enough to make AA. Having a tiered system isn't going to help the better AA team as they'll be playing weak compeition. Kind of like how it is now with these other centres that do not pull from the same pool of kids that London does. It's just a dumb decision all around. LJK has to keep those second tier teams for the $$$$. As if they care about development. If they truly cared the majority of these parent coaches would be gone! Or never selected in the first place. Look at the U13 White team. Coaches kid should never have made AA and yet because dad coaches he auto makes it. How stupid is that? Oh but better for development. Yada yada yada.

How coaching decisions get decided will have some political nuances with parents involved that’s always a given. U13 coach is a very qualified coach with a winning season and his son deserves a spot on the team. Having qualified non-parent options are fairly limited unless org is willing to compensate but even that is fairly focussed to the AAA level.

We all have seen the Tommy Toe Draggers of the minor atom years that light the lamp and are dominant young players level off by the bantam years with a few examples that don’t even play hockey anymore at that age. This is just a development and growth reality. We’ve also seen (perhaps even more) examples of kids playing A and AA at the onset of competitive hockey that mature into high end AAA hockey players. So let’s ask ourselves…when making these decisions are we DEVELOPING or are we PROTECTING? What is our TRUE motive?

If the answer was to genuinely develop young hockey players LJK would create a scenario of mass development at the younger ages. Not all ages. Not only would this serve to support a greater number of players in the LJK pool but it would continue to support their piggy bank. Minor Atom to Minor Bantam…2 AAA teams. This would allow kids to see the opportunity they deserve in their most developmentally sensitive years. At that point you narrow down the draft chasers from bantam onwards to one AAA team that by that point should have some good options to select a very strong AAA team.
Wait!!! That strategy might have the potential to sacrifice the early years of alliance championships and Silver Sticks!!

If the answer is protecting the LJK “corporate image” at the highest level at ALL ages then that is a shame. Birth year strength will vary from year to year but the developmental plan for an organization does not have to.

London is the 11th largest city in Canada…we have the population base to draw from to make this happen. The number of good hockey players within the city that move out at young ages to play in other cities (rarely to return) is a true shame. This is the bigger problem. This can be fixed…but the reality is a small group of like minded people don’t see it this way. An organization needs constant board change to maintain a healthy status. A status that sees a balance of decision making while minimizing political influence.

LJK tried the two AAA teams before and it failed, the teams couldn't compete very well. Kids that leave London go to Sarnia and Chatham and play on some of the worst teams in the province. Don't act like the majority are getting cut and going to produce on good AAA teams.

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Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 10:07 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:45 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:31 pm So wait the tier 2 AA team will have to play the tier 1 AA team? I don't get it. There really should just be the 1 AA team and if your kid doesn't make it you play single A until you are good enough to make AA. Having a tiered system isn't going to help the better AA team as they'll be playing weak compeition. Kind of like how it is now with these other centres that do not pull from the same pool of kids that London does. It's just a dumb decision all around. LJK has to keep those second tier teams for the $$$$. As if they care about development. If they truly cared the majority of these parent coaches would be gone! Or never selected in the first place. Look at the U13 White team. Coaches kid should never have made AA and yet because dad coaches he auto makes it. How stupid is that? Oh but better for development. Yada yada yada.

How coaching decisions get decided will have some political nuances with parents involved that’s always a given. U13 coach is a very qualified coach with a winning season and his son deserves a spot on the team. Having qualified non-parent options are fairly limited unless org is willing to compensate but even that is fairly focussed to the AAA level.

We all have seen the Tommy Toe Draggers of the minor atom years that light the lamp and are dominant young players level off by the bantam years with a few examples that don’t even play hockey anymore at that age. This is just a development and growth reality. We’ve also seen (perhaps even more) examples of kids playing A and AA at the onset of competitive hockey that mature into high end AAA hockey players. So let’s ask ourselves…when making these decisions are we DEVELOPING or are we PROTECTING? What is our TRUE motive?

If the answer was to genuinely develop young hockey players LJK would create a scenario of mass development at the younger ages. Not all ages. Not only would this serve to support a greater number of players in the LJK pool but it would continue to support their piggy bank. Minor Atom to Minor Bantam…2 AAA teams. This would allow kids to see the opportunity they deserve in their most developmentally sensitive years. At that point you narrow down the draft chasers from bantam onwards to one AAA team that by that point should have some good options to select a very strong AAA team.
Wait!!! That strategy might have the potential to sacrifice the early years of alliance championships and Silver Sticks!!

If the answer is protecting the LJK “corporate image” at the highest level at ALL ages then that is a shame. Birth year strength will vary from year to year but the developmental plan for an organization does not have to.

London is the 11th largest city in Canada…we have the population base to draw from to make this happen. The number of good hockey players within the city that move out at young ages to play in other cities (rarely to return) is a true shame. This is the bigger problem. This can be fixed…but the reality is a small group of like minded people don’t see it this way. An organization needs constant board change to maintain a healthy status. A status that sees a balance of decision making while minimizing political influence.

LJK tried the two AAA teams before and it failed, the teams couldn't compete very well. Kids that leave London go to Sarnia and Chatham and play on some of the worst teams in the province. Don't act like the majority are getting cut and going to produce on good AAA teams.

False! Many LJK teams and London teams before LJK did just fine to compete. Agree they certainly don’t go to high end AAA teams…seems like a waste of gas and time. Reality is there are too many of these morons that spend hours of their lives on the 4 series highways.

Name a AAA team with LJK that dominates currently…can’t think of a single one. Soooo…develop at Atom & Pee Wee and come out with a stronger brand Bantam onwards