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Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:18 am

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Guest wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 8:18 pm
The people who advocated and implemented those changes are much older than you. Their kids have been out of minor hockey for a few years by now.

I’m betting you were buying your first house back when body checking was moved up to MB.

And you're of that fossil generation too. You were outraged then with these changes and you're similarly outraged now with any suggestion of change. Long live headshots!

Its because of fossils like me that body checking was moved up to U14 and that you as a young parent have the option to choose between non-contact and contact rep level hockey. Its about creating a model that works for players who simply want to stay active, enjoy the competitive hockey and have no plans to ever play contact hockey as well as those who aspire to play higher level (collegiate / semi-pro / pro) after minor hockey.

Seems the only person who is outraged is you. You're the one who's panicking about his kid playing contact hockey, but your ego wants to tell his friends that his kid is playing AAA. Decision day must be right around the corner, which is why you're trying to reignite an old debate frantically looking for support.

So take a deep breath and relax - forget check your fragile ego at the door. Your kids safety should be your number one concern. He can play his final 4 years in single A with his friends and have a great time. If he's as good as you think he is, he will be stud and probably team captain. You can tell your friends all about his goals and superstar status...just don't mention the division and let them assume hes playing AAA. We all know thats what you really want.

Wow you sure are triggered and imagine all sorts of fantasies about the people on the other end of the internet. Relax, your kid or grandkid will get his fair share of headshots before any further changes ever come about.

I am old enough to remember al the outcry from people like you over even the suggestion of removing body checking from the younger ages. Glad you’re in support of it now.

Face it, the game evolves. Body checking doesn’t play as big a role in todays game. The game will continue to evolve and leave you behind with your rock em’ sock em’ vhs tapes…

Those before me advocated to remove body checking from HL / Select and the OHF listened. Hit from behind and head contact penalties are from those same people, as well as concussion protocols.

People like me were advocating to remove contact from single A and the GTHL listened. The same group was responsible for moving body checking to U14. The evolution you're referring to is a direct result of people like me and those before me. People like me see the importance of two different development streams and people having choice.

You're advocating a self-serving agenda, typical behaviour of a millennial parent who has never played.

Lets break this down to the simplest form:

Clearly you want your kid to be able to play non-contact AA or AAA then age out after Midget and off to University somewhere. You're ego can't stand the idea of telling someone that your kid plays single A.

The notion that your kid will likely play single A is so emotionally painful, you're unable to consider the progression for the kids who hope to play Major Junior or Junior A / D1 and potentially beyond.

Its all about you and your ego...it doesn't get any more entitled than that.

Just curious, do you think the good doctor who authored that study is advocating for a self-serving agenda?

No - his agenda is one where he is a lasting impression on the game, however his angle for this lasting impression is one dimensional and doesn't take the game itself into consideration.

Exactly. He admits that there would be a negative impact for players moving onto the CHL, but still worth it.

Translation:

Remove bodychecking from minor hockey because it’s not worth the risk for the kids who aren’t moving onto junior hockey.

Meanwhile, 16 and 17 year olds who are CHL ready will remain in non-contact hockey until they are 18 (NHL draft year) and enter CHL with no body checking experience and compete with players 2 years older. In the case of first round draft picks, some 18 year olds can enter the NHL with no body checking experience.

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:22 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:18 am

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:36 am

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:45 am

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:16 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:48 am

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:21 am

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:29 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 8:18 pm
The people who advocated and implemented those changes are much older than you. Their kids have been out of minor hockey for a few years by now.

I’m betting you were buying your first house back when body checking was moved up to MB.

And you're of that fossil generation too. You were outraged then with these changes and you're similarly outraged now with any suggestion of change. Long live headshots!

Its because of fossils like me that body checking was moved up to U14 and that you as a young parent have the option to choose between non-contact and contact rep level hockey. Its about creating a model that works for players who simply want to stay active, enjoy the competitive hockey and have no plans to ever play contact hockey as well as those who aspire to play higher level (collegiate / semi-pro / pro) after minor hockey.

Seems the only person who is outraged is you. You're the one who's panicking about his kid playing contact hockey, but your ego wants to tell his friends that his kid is playing AAA. Decision day must be right around the corner, which is why you're trying to reignite an old debate frantically looking for support.

So take a deep breath and relax - forget check your fragile ego at the door. Your kids safety should be your number one concern. He can play his final 4 years in single A with his friends and have a great time. If he's as good as you think he is, he will be stud and probably team captain. You can tell your friends all about his goals and superstar status...just don't mention the division and let them assume hes playing AAA. We all know thats what you really want.

Wow you sure are triggered and imagine all sorts of fantasies about the people on the other end of the internet. Relax, your kid or grandkid will get his fair share of headshots before any further changes ever come about.

I am old enough to remember al the outcry from people like you over even the suggestion of removing body checking from the younger ages. Glad you’re in support of it now.

Face it, the game evolves. Body checking doesn’t play as big a role in todays game. The game will continue to evolve and leave you behind with your rock em’ sock em’ vhs tapes…

Those before me advocated to remove body checking from HL / Select and the OHF listened. Hit from behind and head contact penalties are from those same people, as well as concussion protocols.

People like me were advocating to remove contact from single A and the GTHL listened. The same group was responsible for moving body checking to U14. The evolution you're referring to is a direct result of people like me and those before me. People like me see the importance of two different development streams and people having choice.

You're advocating a self-serving agenda, typical behaviour of a millennial parent who has never played.

Lets break this down to the simplest form:

Clearly you want your kid to be able to play non-contact AA or AAA then age out after Midget and off to University somewhere. You're ego can't stand the idea of telling someone that your kid plays single A.

The notion that your kid will likely play single A is so emotionally painful, you're unable to consider the progression for the kids who hope to play Major Junior or Junior A / D1 and potentially beyond.

Its all about you and your ego...it doesn't get any more entitled than that.

Just curious, do you think the good doctor who authored that study is advocating for a self-serving agenda?

No - his agenda is one where he is a lasting impression on the game, however his angle for this lasting impression is one dimensional and doesn't take the game itself into consideration.

Exactly. He admits that there would be a negative impact for players moving onto the CHL, but still worth it.

Translation:

Remove bodychecking from minor hockey because it’s not worth the risk for the kids who aren’t moving onto junior hockey.

Meanwhile, 16 and 17 year olds who are CHL ready will remain in non-contact hockey until they are 18 (NHL draft year) and enter CHL with no body checking experience and compete with players 2 years older. In the case of first round draft picks, some 18 year olds can enter the NHL with no body checking experience.

Which is 99% of of minor hockey players ... sounds like the majority are catering to the very small minority here with an even smaller minority of parents who think training head shots at a young age will train them to better take head shots in Junior hockey.

No amount of "body checking clinics" can replace in-game experience. Which is why I think contact should be part of the rep stream starting in Minor Atom. 4 years of non-contact hockey will not prepare them for first year contact at 13 years old...may as well go through the first year growing pains before puberty, when the kids are relatively the same size.

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:47 pm

No amount of "body checking clinics" can replace in-game experience. Which is why I think contact should be part of the rep stream starting in Minor Atom. 4 years of non-contact hockey will not prepare them for first year contact at 13 years old...may as well go through the first year growing pains before puberty, when the kids are relatively the same size.

Contact is part of hockey since day 1. It's body checking that you can't do until MB.

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:20 am

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:18 am

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:36 am

No - his agenda is one where he is a lasting impression on the game, however his angle for this lasting impression is one dimensional and doesn't take the game itself into consideration.

Exactly. He admits that there would be a negative impact for players moving onto the CHL, but still worth it.

Translation:

Remove bodychecking from minor hockey because it’s not worth the risk for the kids who aren’t moving onto junior hockey.

Meanwhile, 16 and 17 year olds who are CHL ready will remain in non-contact hockey until they are 18 (NHL draft year) and enter CHL with no body checking experience and compete with players 2 years older. In the case of first round draft picks, some 18 year olds can enter the NHL with no body checking experience.

Best part of this - players who don't want to aim to the CHL or Jr hockey can chose non contact if they want.

Isn't choice a great thing?

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:47 pm

No amount of "body checking clinics" can replace in-game experience. Which is why I think contact should be part of the rep stream starting in Minor Atom. 4 years of non-contact hockey will not prepare them for first year contact at 13 years old...may as well go through the first year growing pains before puberty, when the kids are relatively the same size.

Contact is part of hockey since day 1. It's body checking that you can't do until MB.

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:57 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:47 pm

No amount of "body checking clinics" can replace in-game experience. Which is why I think contact should be part of the rep stream starting in Minor Atom. 4 years of non-contact hockey will not prepare them for first year contact at 13 years old...may as well go through the first year growing pains before puberty, when the kids are relatively the same size.

Contact is part of hockey since day 1. It's body checking that you can't do until MB.

Incidental contact is part of all hockey. There are as many concussions come from it as come from Body Check hockey.

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:22 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:18 am

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:36 am

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:45 am

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:16 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:48 am

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:21 am
Its because of fossils like me that body checking was moved up to U14 and that you as a young parent have the option to choose between non-contact and contact rep level hockey. Its about creating a model that works for players who simply want to stay active, enjoy the competitive hockey and have no plans to ever play contact hockey as well as those who aspire to play higher level (collegiate / semi-pro / pro) after minor hockey.

Seems the only person who is outraged is you. You're the one who's panicking about his kid playing contact hockey, but your ego wants to tell his friends that his kid is playing AAA. Decision day must be right around the corner, which is why you're trying to reignite an old debate frantically looking for support.

So take a deep breath and relax - forget check your fragile ego at the door. Your kids safety should be your number one concern. He can play his final 4 years in single A with his friends and have a great time. If he's as good as you think he is, he will be stud and probably team captain. You can tell your friends all about his goals and superstar status...just don't mention the division and let them assume hes playing AAA. We all know thats what you really want.

Wow you sure are triggered and imagine all sorts of fantasies about the people on the other end of the internet. Relax, your kid or grandkid will get his fair share of headshots before any further changes ever come about.

I am old enough to remember al the outcry from people like you over even the suggestion of removing body checking from the younger ages. Glad you’re in support of it now.

Face it, the game evolves. Body checking doesn’t play as big a role in todays game. The game will continue to evolve and leave you behind with your rock em’ sock em’ vhs tapes…

Those before me advocated to remove body checking from HL / Select and the OHF listened. Hit from behind and head contact penalties are from those same people, as well as concussion protocols.

People like me were advocating to remove contact from single A and the GTHL listened. The same group was responsible for moving body checking to U14. The evolution you're referring to is a direct result of people like me and those before me. People like me see the importance of two different development streams and people having choice.

You're advocating a self-serving agenda, typical behaviour of a millennial parent who has never played.

Lets break this down to the simplest form:

Clearly you want your kid to be able to play non-contact AA or AAA then age out after Midget and off to University somewhere. You're ego can't stand the idea of telling someone that your kid plays single A.

The notion that your kid will likely play single A is so emotionally painful, you're unable to consider the progression for the kids who hope to play Major Junior or Junior A / D1 and potentially beyond.

Its all about you and your ego...it doesn't get any more entitled than that.

Just curious, do you think the good doctor who authored that study is advocating for a self-serving agenda?

No - his agenda is one where he is a lasting impression on the game, however his angle for this lasting impression is one dimensional and doesn't take the game itself into consideration.

Exactly. He admits that there would be a negative impact for players moving onto the CHL, but still worth it.

Translation:

Remove bodychecking from minor hockey because it’s not worth the risk for the kids who aren’t moving onto junior hockey.

Meanwhile, 16 and 17 year olds who are CHL ready will remain in non-contact hockey until they are 18 (NHL draft year) and enter CHL with no body checking experience and compete with players 2 years older. In the case of first round draft picks, some 18 year olds can enter the NHL with no body checking experience.

Which is 99% of of minor hockey players ... sounds like the majority are catering to the very small minority here with an even smaller minority of parents who think training head shots at a young age will train them to better take head shots in Junior hockey.

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 1:41 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:57 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:47 pm

No amount of "body checking clinics" can replace in-game experience. Which is why I think contact should be part of the rep stream starting in Minor Atom. 4 years of non-contact hockey will not prepare them for first year contact at 13 years old...may as well go through the first year growing pains before puberty, when the kids are relatively the same size.

Contact is part of hockey since day 1. It's body checking that you can't do until MB.

Incidental contact is part of all hockey. There are as many concussions come from it as come from Body Check hockey.

Yet another lie pulled out of your arse.

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 1:41 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:57 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:47 pm

No amount of "body checking clinics" can replace in-game experience. Which is why I think contact should be part of the rep stream starting in Minor Atom. 4 years of non-contact hockey will not prepare them for first year contact at 13 years old...may as well go through the first year growing pains before puberty, when the kids are relatively the same size.

Contact is part of hockey since day 1. It's body checking that you can't do until MB.

Incidental contact is part of all hockey. There are as many concussions come from it as come from Body Check hockey.

Yet another lie pulled out of your arse.