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(1) Our association is deeply in debt because of mismanagement of the finances (2) all of our rep teams are now being asked to increase fees to cover the interest costs. (3) We are the most expensive centre in OMHA and no development costs are being covered.

Please go ahead and explain why closed borders are benefiting the parents and kids of our centre.

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 7:46 am (1) Our association is deeply in debt because of mismanagement of the finances (2) all of our rep teams are now being asked to increase fees to cover the interest costs. (3) We are the most expensive centre in OMHA and no development costs are being covered.

Please go ahead and explain why closed borders are benefiting the parents and kids of our centre.

Organizations have zero accountability now, letting families change centers would keep everyone more accountable. Poorly run orgs would have to fix or close down(like any other business in Ontario). I honestly don't know who wants to keep the borders closed at this point.

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 11:06 pm

Sounds like a lot of driving to play other competitive teams. My kid plays alliance and we already have no competition. If they start loading up one team the others will become even weaker.

This seems to be the only complaint about opening borders. We are going to prevent half a million kids from doing what they want because of a few dozen crazy's who will create a super team? The crazies are going to do it anyway. There is a dad in my town who rents out any available ice, and has a skating coach, shooting coach and personal trainer for his 8-year-old son, You're telling me that he's not going to find a way to get his kid on the team he wants him on when the time comes. I know of another family that has 1 son playing on a AAA team and their other son is playing on another. Both are top players on each team. They are creating super teams already, why do the rest of us have to suffer?

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So let's say you have an 8 team league, and all the besr players go to 2 teams. You don't have parity and youbhave no rules to address this. This means that 85% of the games for the top 2 teams, the end result is essentially predetermined.

This isn't good for fun, yes fun is the most important thing, for player development, and it will create an endless amount of politics, nefarious actions of coaches and parents(aka paying coaches for spots), pissed off players and parents, which all leads to a terrible league and it's inevitable demise.

How's that for a run on sentence.

This is the outcome. HC can't manage this as they have different rules for different areas of the country. How will you address this?

How will you address what Hac is good at, which is standards, and plans for development. It's fine if you don't like theirs, the problem is you don't have another viable option.

I think you're creating a problem that won't exist. And that will affect a very small percentage of the people if it does. There's a lot of excellent hockey people out there that will run amazing programs. We have that now. At the highest levels we have people also trying to create super teams right now. Out of the 500 000 kids playing hockey only a few hundred are playing AAA. Most of us just want to have our kids playing at an appropriate level, be challenged and have fun.

No this happens all the time! Take the GTHL AAA division as an example. It's esse tally a two tier league. You have the top 4 teams who take all the best players. For the most part they are substantially better than the bottom 8. If a player develops on a bottom 8 team he doesn't stay there, he moves up to a top 4 team. Then you add that outside players come in and hand pick the team they want to play on.

This also happens at every level below. Don't underestimate what parents will do to stack trams so that they can win more.

It's a massive issue, and the very reason why HC tries to have closed borders. Their reason is sound- avoid stacked teams- but their method/ plan and application is terrible.

By failing to acknowledge that this will happen, and that there is a problem, you're merely spring hockey.

Youbhave an opportunity to truly make change, a positive change, but you need to have the ability to see the issues, identify what HC does that doesn't work, come up with alternatives, get feedback to see if there are barriers from communities in different locations, seek input from knowledgeable people with experience, design a long term plan, and implement it.

Lots to do to succeed at this.

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 7:46 am (1) Our association is deeply in debt because of mismanagement of the finances (2) all of our rep teams are now being asked to increase fees to cover the interest costs. (3) We are the most expensive centre in OMHA and no development costs are being covered.

Please go ahead and explain why closed borders are benefiting the parents and kids of our centre.

What does rep cost approximately in your area?

Is your association registered as a non-profit?

The local rep association that we would be forced to play in costs approx $4000-$5000 for AA or BB and they are a private organization that literally prints money.

The reason OHF is worried is Klevr threat of expansion into U10 and beyond. Some people wont agree based on the posts earlier..but hey look at facts. OHF is aware of what has happened in Alberta. Look at HSL: https://hockeysuperleague.ca/content/ab ... per-league

This is a defense move. Hope it comes early enough to influence the 25-26 season.

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 7:46 am (1) Our association is deeply in debt because of mismanagement of the finances (2) all of our rep teams are now being asked to increase fees to cover the interest costs. (3) We are the most expensive centre in OMHA and no development costs are being covered.

Please go ahead and explain why closed borders are benefiting the parents and kids of our centre.

It won't...and honestly, I hope your centre folds and someone new starts a new centre.

thats what SHOULD happen.

What is the centre? Name drop. I know North Durham just had someone steal a bunch of money and get arrested.

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:23 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 7:46 am (1) Our association is deeply in debt because of mismanagement of the finances (2) all of our rep teams are now being asked to increase fees to cover the interest costs. (3) We are the most expensive centre in OMHA and no development costs are being covered.

Please go ahead and explain why closed borders are benefiting the parents and kids of our centre.

It won't...and honestly, I hope your centre folds and someone new starts a new centre.

thats what SHOULD happen.

What is the centre? Name drop. I know North Durham just had someone steal a bunch of money and get arrested.

There’s a lot that goes into final amount. The league charges the rep teams Aa/A/bb about $40,000 for registration, basic ice times and admin. All uniforms, gear, training, extra ice and team expenses are up and above that. We are expecting another 20% surcharge to cover their “unforeseen expenses” according to the rumour mill.

Friends in neighbouring association pay about 40% less.

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Most people want the BS to end and make it open border. But realistically, does anyone have inside scoop? There was a post in May/June on this forum saying Hockey Canada is going to announce open borders in fall. It didn't happen but the announcement in fall was very close.

No inside scoop...

But, OHF did post a message on IG and other places stating they are doing a review. So that's how people know it is at least being reviewed.

Good to hear, I can't believe this has never been taken to court under our consumer protections. In Canada we have protections against abuse of dominance. https://competition-bureau.canada.ca/re ... -dominance

Maybe something is coming down just like the recent NCAA lawsuit for CHL players. https://www.tsn.ca/ncaa/lawsuit-challen ... d%20skiing.

It could be that. It could be the pressure of losing money to private leagues doing things different.... could be a combination of both?

But, at the end of the day, realistically, I think most people understand that "owning kids" just because they happened to live in a geographical boundary is insane.

Especially when people don't have an alternate choice - other than just not playing

There are some real questions that make it not super "black and white" and you could argue Boundaries are good for some things, so I get why they may not have made these changes in the past. But the KSL and other leagues have proven to some degree that no-boarders can happen without absolute mayhem - and quite frankly might actually produce better parity than closed boarders.

Teams need a league to play on

Leagues need parity controls

Agreed.... OMHA and GTHL....two teams that dominate every year at EVERY SINGLE AGE GROUP. Is closed boarders working?

Look through the GTHL standings last year and you’ll see that is not true at all.

These are the regular season champions in the GTHL last year:

U10 - Vaughan
U11 - Marlboros
U12 - North York Rangers
U13 - JRC
U14 - Markham
U15 - Don Mills
U16 - Vaughan

It’s FAR from being a two team league. If anything, this proves that open borders WORKS, since anyone inside the GTHL boundary can play for any team. It creates competition and parity.