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My comprehension would be much better if you had better command of the english language. Kemptville is not at the Telus Cup. They are at the Ontario U18 regionals on the road to the Telus Cup. Winner of this events gets to go to Telus Cup. Our U18 league is what this website is about. Our teams and how they are set up is on the CCHL. Where are the 05's playing? Why not U18? Who's fault is that? People's argument about the 07's not being good enough to compete holds no water. The 07's were the driving force on both the teams in the finals, both teams a lot of 07's.

Ah "the road to the Telus Cup" not the actual Cup. Oh no it's such a difference. This is a thread on a website, just to be precise champ. Yup, take out the minimums for first year players and a big chance LESS of them play. Does that hurt your feelings? The 07 minimum, is what is hurting Kemptville champ.

Good luck

Stop blaming the first year players, 8 years ago HEO minor screwed them. They are out of the league next year what will you complain about then.

Defensive again and protecting young players who have coddled too long. Not many of these players have what it takes to play beyond minor hockey. They can't compete against players in a watered down division, in fact they're getting spanked. They're getting spanked by older "less talented" players it seems. ah well


You do you

There are no 2006s 'better' than a 2007 that didn't make a team. Some of the 2006s chirping about minimum 2007s were not drafted and cut by a team before they landed on a weak team or played very limited minutes.

Haha tell us you're an 07 dad without telling us that you're an 07 dad. Do you look at yourself in the mirror and say this every day?

Name any 06 in AA that should be swimming in this watered down CCHL U18AAA cash grab. There are none.

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Ah "the road to the Telus Cup" not the actual Cup. Oh no it's such a difference. This is a thread on a website, just to be precise champ. Yup, take out the minimums for first year players and a big chance LESS of them play. Does that hurt your feelings? The 07 minimum, is what is hurting Kemptville champ.

Good luck

Stop blaming the first year players, 8 years ago HEO minor screwed them. They are out of the league next year what will you complain about then.

Defensive again and protecting young players who have coddled too long. Not many of these players have what it takes to play beyond minor hockey. They can't compete against players in a watered down division, in fact they're getting spanked. They're getting spanked by older "less talented" players it seems. ah well


You do you

There are no 2006s 'better' than a 2007 that didn't make a team. Some of the 2006s chirping about minimum 2007s were not drafted and cut by a team before they landed on a weak team or played very limited minutes.

Haha tell us you're an 07 dad without telling us that you're an 07 dad. Do you look at yourself in the mirror and say this every day?

Name any 06 in AA that should be swimming in this watered down CCHL U18AAA cash grab. There are none.

How about 05's. Nobody is naming anyone here champ.

Heck, depending on the year, the numbers per age group could change. The point is this, don't put a limit or minimum on number of players per age group, and take the best players. Yes there are a few 07's that don't belong.

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Guest wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 7:10 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 12:15 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:30 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:57 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 4:23 pm
Stop blaming the first year players, 8 years ago HEO minor screwed them. They are out of the league next year what will you complain about then.

Defensive again and protecting young players who have coddled too long. Not many of these players have what it takes to play beyond minor hockey. They can't compete against players in a watered down division, in fact they're getting spanked. They're getting spanked by older "less talented" players it seems. ah well


You do you

There are no 2006s 'better' than a 2007 that didn't make a team. Some of the 2006s chirping about minimum 2007s were not drafted and cut by a team before they landed on a weak team or played very limited minutes.

Haha tell us you're an 07 dad without telling us that you're an 07 dad. Do you look at yourself in the mirror and say this every day?

Name any 06 in AA that should be swimming in this watered down CCHL U18AAA cash grab. There are none.

How about 05's. Nobody is naming anyone here champ.

Heck, depending on the year, the numbers per age group could change. The point is this, don't put a limit or minimum on number of players per age group, and take the best players. Yes there are a few 07's that don't belong.

05s hahaha. Not one 07 among the top 6 teams that bumped a more skilled 06 or 05. Look at the APs in the bottom 6, you may have a point. Many examples of 07 AA kids that don’t belong…favours to buddies of theirs, another example of how the CCHL f’d it up.

Final two teams had 11 and 9 07s, not one 05…how does that work? Must be a conspiracy. Maybe the favourites threw the series.

That’s what you get when each club has an ‘owner,’ and no oversight. It’s a free for all. Those that did it right got rewarded with better results and played a month longer or more.

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Guest wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 7:57 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 7:10 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 12:15 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:30 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:57 pm

Defensive again and protecting young players who have coddled too long. Not many of these players have what it takes to play beyond minor hockey. They can't compete against players in a watered down division, in fact they're getting spanked. They're getting spanked by older "less talented" players it seems. ah well


You do you

There are no 2006s 'better' than a 2007 that didn't make a team. Some of the 2006s chirping about minimum 2007s were not drafted and cut by a team before they landed on a weak team or played very limited minutes.

Haha tell us you're an 07 dad without telling us that you're an 07 dad. Do you look at yourself in the mirror and say this every day?

Name any 06 in AA that should be swimming in this watered down CCHL U18AAA cash grab. There are none.

How about 05's. Nobody is naming anyone here champ.

Heck, depending on the year, the numbers per age group could change. The point is this, don't put a limit or minimum on number of players per age group, and take the best players. Yes there are a few 07's that don't belong.

05s hahaha. Not one 07 among the top 6 teams that bumped a more skilled 06 or 05. Look at the APs in the bottom 6, you may have a point. Many examples of 07 AA kids that don’t belong…favours to buddies of theirs, another example of how the CCHL f’d it up.

Final two teams had 11 and 9 07s, not one 05…how does that work? Must be a conspiracy. Maybe the favourites threw the series.

That’s what you get when each club has an ‘owner,’ and no oversight. It’s a free for all. Those that did it right got rewarded with better results and played a month longer or more.

Great if you believe that you would have no problem having 07's earn their spot on merit.

Good luck champ.

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Guest wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 8:47 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 7:57 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 7:10 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 12:15 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:30 pm

There are no 2006s 'better' than a 2007 that didn't make a team. Some of the 2006s chirping about minimum 2007s were not drafted and cut by a team before they landed on a weak team or played very limited minutes.

Haha tell us you're an 07 dad without telling us that you're an 07 dad. Do you look at yourself in the mirror and say this every day?

Name any 06 in AA that should be swimming in this watered down CCHL U18AAA cash grab. There are none.

How about 05's. Nobody is naming anyone here champ.

Heck, depending on the year, the numbers per age group could change. The point is this, don't put a limit or minimum on number of players per age group, and take the best players. Yes there are a few 07's that don't belong.

05s hahaha. Not one 07 among the top 6 teams that bumped a more skilled 06 or 05. Look at the APs in the bottom 6, you may have a point. Many examples of 07 AA kids that don’t belong…favours to buddies of theirs, another example of how the CCHL f’d it up.

Final two teams had 11 and 9 07s, not one 05…how does that work? Must be a conspiracy. Maybe the favourites threw the series.

That’s what you get when each club has an ‘owner,’ and no oversight. It’s a free for all. Those that did it right got rewarded with better results and played a month longer or more.

Great if you believe that you would have no problem having 07's earn their spot on merit.

Good luck champ.

Words from someone who’s kid didn’t make the team. I get it now. Any organization deciding between a younger or older player for final spots will always take the younger player to develop.

It’s the end of the road for any 05s at U18AAA. Think about it; options were MajJr, JrA, or JrB. Why come down to U18AAA?

Merit will be judged depending where little Johnny lands. Makes the team, he earned it. Gets cut, he was robbed. That’s life, Champ!

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 6:47 pm Your math is questionable and has a lot of maybe thrown in. OHL scouts only coming up twice a year, not from the ones I have been in contact with. You even admit that a little bit more scouting may allow them to get drafted up a round or two. What's the difference? They'll get invited to OHL camp and their draft round means nothing, perform and earn your spot on the team.

You said 4 tournaments away, no chance, 6 or 7 easy. At $1000 per, costs are sky high.

Remember, legacy AAA enables players to look better than they are.

So remember, the GTA plays by different rules with their player movement. They stack 4-5 teams each year, sure they have success, but that's easy in that format. Teams that stacked hide weak players, and make points easy to come by for top players. Not a good way of assessing their true talent. The GTHL produces more OHL players out of volume. HEO should look at what is important to them. Compwtimg with the GTHL, or providing the best environment for local players to reach their potential. Player development should be a much higher priority than all this chest thumping over league/player control.

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Great job of missing all the key information because your mind is closed. All the best in the future trying to learn something from someone trying to enlighten you. My hope is your player is more open minded than you and is willing to listen to his coach and change to improve.

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Guest wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 6:47 pm Your math is questionable and has a lot of maybe thrown in. OHL scouts only coming up twice a year, not from the ones I have been in contact with. You even admit that a little bit more scouting may allow them to get drafted up a round or two. What's the difference? They'll get invited to OHL camp and their draft round means nothing, perform and earn your spot on the team.

You said 4 tournaments away, no chance, 6 or 7 easy. At $1000 per, costs are sky high.

Remember, legacy AAA enables players to look better than they are.

So remember, the GTA plays by different rules with their player movement. They stack 4-5 teams each year, sure they have success, but that's easy in that format. Teams that stacked hide weak players, and make points easy to come by for top players. Not a good way of assessing their true talent. The GTHL produces more OHL players out of volume. HEO should look at what is important to them. Compwtimg with the GTHL, or providing the best environment for local players to reach their potential. Player development should be a much higher priority than all this chest thumping over league/player control.

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Great job of missing all the key information because your mind is closed. All the best in the future trying to learn something from someone trying to enlighten you. My hope is your player is more open minded than you and is willing to listen to his coach and change to improve.

All the KEY information you mean like your "what if's" that you put out there. Things such as IF HEO owns the ice vs. IF the CCHL owns the ice. That is how you taught me? How about your "maybe 2 times a year" that FACT of yours is supposed to teach me what OHL GM's do for the Ottawa region? Based on a "maybe?!?!?!" Your arrival at being seen 15 times, had a "magical" mathematical formula to!! WOW! You all of a sudden declared that 4 away tournaments(If I would guess, 6 minimum), would automatically mean a GUARANTEED 4 looks by an OHL GM! Heck your "what if" and "maybe" math forgot that that are MANY more than just ONE OHL GM, and that ALL of them would be there, so muitiply your 4 times by 20-that's 80 looks on your kid by a REAL OHL GM, just in away tournaments! YOU taught me something champ?!!?

Open minded, LOL, it's not rocket science that playing a tournament in Toronto will help with small windows of exposure. EVERY weekend though, the previous HEO U18AAA format provided equally easy exposure ALL SEASON.

How about you teach me about WHY GTHL teams wanted to stop HEO from sending 2 allstar teams to their OHL cup tournament, you now, for all those OHL GM eyes to see them? That took care of all your exposure needs.

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Haha tell us you're an 07 dad without telling us that you're an 07 dad. Do you look at yourself in the mirror and say this every day?

Name any 06 in AA that should be swimming in this watered down CCHL U18AAA cash grab. There are none.

How about 05's. Nobody is naming anyone here champ.

Heck, depending on the year, the numbers per age group could change. The point is this, don't put a limit or minimum on number of players per age group, and take the best players. Yes there are a few 07's that don't belong.

05s hahaha. Not one 07 among the top 6 teams that bumped a more skilled 06 or 05. Look at the APs in the bottom 6, you may have a point. Many examples of 07 AA kids that don’t belong…favours to buddies of theirs, another example of how the CCHL f’d it up.

Final two teams had 11 and 9 07s, not one 05…how does that work? Must be a conspiracy. Maybe the favourites threw the series.

That’s what you get when each club has an ‘owner,’ and no oversight. It’s a free for all. Those that did it right got rewarded with better results and played a month longer or more.

Great if you believe that you would have no problem having 07's earn their spot on merit.

Good luck champ.

Words from someone who’s kid didn’t make the team. I get it now. Any organization deciding between a younger or older player for final spots will always take the younger player to develop.

It’s the end of the road for any 05s at U18AAA. Think about it; options were MajJr, JrA, or JrB. Why come down to U18AAA?

Merit will be judged depending where little Johnny lands. Makes the team, he earned it. Gets cut, he was robbed. That’s life, Champ!

LOL, my kid is an 06, and our bottom end 07's hurt our team. Yup some 06's got cut from our team because of them, and them made other teams. Our team was weaker as a result. If only teams were made on merit, NOT random numbers to "protect" certain kids who weren't good enough. to dream!

So you're in favor of lower caliber kids on your team right now!! Well that will be gone as U16AAA will have all legacy teams and keep those kids in their birthyear bubble!

Hmm next year though, if your star player isn't good enough to move, will have to come back! HMM will the team have another player age limit?!?

Good luck champ

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Guest wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 12:17 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:20 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 8:47 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 7:57 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 7:10 pm

Name any 06 in AA that should be swimming in this watered down CCHL U18AAA cash grab. There are none.

How about 05's. Nobody is naming anyone here champ.

Heck, depending on the year, the numbers per age group could change. The point is this, don't put a limit or minimum on number of players per age group, and take the best players. Yes there are a few 07's that don't belong.

05s hahaha. Not one 07 among the top 6 teams that bumped a more skilled 06 or 05. Look at the APs in the bottom 6, you may have a point. Many examples of 07 AA kids that don’t belong…favours to buddies of theirs, another example of how the CCHL f’d it up.

Final two teams had 11 and 9 07s, not one 05…how does that work? Must be a conspiracy. Maybe the favourites threw the series.

That’s what you get when each club has an ‘owner,’ and no oversight. It’s a free for all. Those that did it right got rewarded with better results and played a month longer or more.

Great if you believe that you would have no problem having 07's earn their spot on merit.

Good luck champ.

Words from someone who’s kid didn’t make the team. I get it now. Any organization deciding between a younger or older player for final spots will always take the younger player to develop.

It’s the end of the road for any 05s at U18AAA. Think about it; options were MajJr, JrA, or JrB. Why come down to U18AAA?

Merit will be judged depending where little Johnny lands. Makes the team, he earned it. Gets cut, he was robbed. That’s life, Champ!

LOL, my kid is an 06, and our bottom end 07's hurt our team. Yup some 06's got cut from our team because of them, and them made other teams. Our team was weaker as a result. If only teams were made on merit, NOT random numbers to "protect" certain kids who weren't good enough. to dream!

So you're in favor of lower caliber kids on your team right now!! Well that will be gone as U16AAA will have all legacy teams and keep those kids in their birthyear bubble!

Hmm next year though, if your star player isn't good enough to move, will have to come back! HMM will the team have another player age limit?!?

Good luck champ

That's a horrible spot to be in, made worse by being held prisoner. Our team was successful in large part by selecting the best players available, numbers worked out that the 06/07 balance was such. It has to be based on merit and I know this wasn't the case for many (most) teams. My assessment is that those teams that weren't successful was in large part to the player selections as you describe. In addition, geography plays a large factor for player availability. There were 1-2 07 players in our group that could have been easily swapped by a very similar 06, it's a toss up at that point.

No one is in favour of lower caliber kids, but the player availability pool will dictate that. CCHL f'd it up by not screening player selections and forgot that it's still minor hockey. No luck needed Champ, it's numbers and merit in our world...but again, we went deep in playoffs and had a great year. I wish my kid would suit up for the same team next season, but we move on.

As the saying goes, 'experiences will vary.'

Take out mandatory number of players per age, and let it play out. Don't be afraid of the merit process.

Geography, meh, some have been spoiled for a very long time playing close to home, if you want a league with parity, one that is competitive from top to bottom, there needs to be co tools over player movement. Closed centres are brutal at doing that. Deal with the travel at this level, not much sympathy from me there.
Lots of parents of 07 kids not sure whether they would like their kid to even make a Jr. A team. Practices and workouts during the day, almost all players will be done high school, and no real help with school. Heck how about even getting them to the rink!! Lots of things yhe hard-core AAA parent hasn't thought of.

The new U18AAA, will it have limits on players in third or 2nd year? If the league wants to be quality, it needs YOP third year players to play there. A team made up of 07's next year, with the best 06's gone, will get destroyed at tournaments elsewhere. Jr. B Isn't really a thing outside of Ottawa, but a definite option here. Cheaper, gives time to supplement with private dev.

I am fairly certain this reality hasn't been considered by the decision makers. Those parents pushing for the return to legacy AAA have really let the second year u18 player down, 2 scenarios play out.

1-top third years stay U18AAA and force out 2nd year players.

2-top 3rd year players deem U18AAA to be too expensive, too much travel, not quality development, not good value for time and money, and go to Jr. B the consequemce of this is a weak U18AAA team, made up of 2nd year players, sprinkled with weaker 3rd years, and unable to compete in away tournaments.

This will "hurt" hockey here.

Thougjts