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So no proof, not even an attempt. How appropriate. Just claim it to be true, and expect people to believe you. Here i can play.

1-a 2 team AAA representation from HEO is more fiscally effective, and provides more value for the money that will be spent. It will also be cheaper than legacy AAA.

2-the outcome will be FAR greater, and provide FAR better results than legacy AAA

Post some fake numbers as proof of the 2 team system

I know the concept of 2 teams vs 5 teams and the higher concentration of talent goes above your head.

but anyways......

5 teams is watered down, and it hurts player development

prove me wrong.

Or don't post anything, complain, stomp your feet and blame someone else......ah Liberals

You want someone to prove you wrong with your two-team idea. Yet you do not provide any details.
You would not believe any posts anyway; your mind is closed. Nice to know there is a lot of free thinking going on in your house.

Don't be so lazy I have posted several posts with lists of why 2 teams is better. I can't help it if you chose not to look. Close minded eh, I keep asking for someone to prove me wrong. Try thinking and engaging in debate. Or stick with drama points, and excuses.

All we kept hearing about the CCHL run U18AAA league was that it was watered down. No attempts at determining what the proper number of teams should be. I broke the logic down for 2 teams a couple times, and specifically addressed the "watered down" complaint many people had. People here want their kid in AAA, have no idea what player development is, how to achieve it, when it peaks, or why it's different for different players.

Try engaging in debate with at least some ideas and try to support your position beyond just opinion.

Close.minded, lol, I see excuses and probably a realization that you're wrong.

Prove me wrong

The "watered down" crowd in regards to CCHL U18 were just the scared parents who knew that their kid wouldn't look as good playing against older kids and/or not playing on a stacked district team. There was zero concern for the quality of the league, just purely self-centered thought.

Creating a 2 team system that would be detrimental a) Families who can barely afford the current cost, let alone one that is 2-3X higher) and b)any player that is good enough to play AAA but doesn't make one of your elite development programs (which as we know is all but guaranteed)
However, if you re looking to emulate the GTHL so badly you may get your wish, since no doubt there will be deep pockets wanting to get control over teams and/or secure spots for their "true AAA" player, so maybe teams can be bought and sold each year. (Hopefully you get a commission)

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:59 pm We are still waiting on a compelling argument why 2 teams make sense, so far just a bunch of drivel!!

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:20 am

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:50 am

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:29 am

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:10 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:23 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:51 pm

Post some fake numbers as proof of the 2 team system

I know the concept of 2 teams vs 5 teams and the higher concentration of talent goes above your head.

but anyways......

5 teams is watered down, and it hurts player development

prove me wrong.

Or don't post anything, complain, stomp your feet and blame someone else......ah Liberals

You want someone to prove you wrong with your two-team idea. Yet you do not provide any details.
You would not believe any posts anyway; your mind is closed. Nice to know there is a lot of free thinking going on in your house.

Don't be so lazy I have posted several posts with lists of why 2 teams is better. I can't help it if you chose not to look. Close minded eh, I keep asking for someone to prove me wrong. Try thinking and engaging in debate. Or stick with drama points, and excuses.

All we kept hearing about the CCHL run U18AAA league was that it was watered down. No attempts at determining what the proper number of teams should be. I broke the logic down for 2 teams a couple times, and specifically addressed the "watered down" complaint many people had. People here want their kid in AAA, have no idea what player development is, how to achieve it, when it peaks, or why it's different for different players.

Try engaging in debate with at least some ideas and try to support your position beyond just opinion.

Close.minded, lol, I see excuses and probably a realization that you're wrong.

Prove me wrong

The "watered down" crowd in regards to CCHL U18 were just the scared parents who knew that their kid wouldn't look as good playing against older kids and/or not playing on a stacked district team. There was zero concern for the quality of the league, just purely self-centered thought.

Creating a 2 team system that would be detrimental a) Families who can barely afford the current cost, let alone one that is 2-3X higher) and b)any player that is good enough to play AAA but doesn't make one of your elite development programs (which as we know is all but guaranteed)
However, if you re looking to emulate the GTHL so badly you may get your wish, since no doubt there will be deep pockets wanting to get control over teams and/or secure spots for their "true AAA" player, so maybe teams can be bought and sold each year. (Hopefully you get a commission)

I completely agree with your comments about the CCHL run U18AAA league. Self centered people who think their kid is going straight to the OHL after U16AAA.

Your other comments though, I believe are off base.

1- my proposal will be cheaper and here's why. Currently many AAA trams are already going to 7+ away tournaments each year. Not ALL but many. Having 7+ tournaments as a travel team and no league games, will be cheaper without the costs of being on the league. It will also be cheaper as parents won't have to travel for those league games. Your extreme exaggeration of 2-3 × higher costs is weak.

Is less league games good, yes it is if you have a goal of ELITE player development. A practice to game ratio of a minimum of 3-1 is needed, and the current format doesn't get close.

Less league play allows for meaningful and impact full dryland training. Working out once a week is literally a waste of time and money.

A focus on tournaments gives players meaningful exposure to eyes that matter, not what you get from an away game in Cardinal.

2-any player that is good enough to make AAA but not one of the 2 teams?!?!?!? And then your sentence stops?? First, just because you give a player or team the AAA label, doesn't mean they are AAA caliber. You need to get passed that.

Comparison to the GTHL, well that's merely a reality of our comparator. One of the biggest reasons people gave for wanting to scrap the CCHL run U18AAA was due to the poor showing at draft years relative to southern Ontario and specifically the GTHL. Aren't you able to understand why they become the measuring stick. Top players here leave to go, let's see where, oh ya the GTHL. Like it or not they are the comparator here. We don't need to have trams bought and sold like they do there, ah we do have Myers bought to promote family!!

You're still not giving a compelling argument how 2 teams isn't a great option for the ELITE player.

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:15 pm Call it what you want, it's a travel team model-for "elite" players.

A private school model entails paying for school as well as hockey and most often living in a form. This is FAR from that, but continue to jump to the heights of exaggeration!!

HM(06), NA(07), ZL (04), KD(04), RS(03), just off the top of my head are all TOP players who went to the GTHL. just sayin!!

Are you saying that all the 07's who left this past year, either for the GTHL or other "non HEO" teams are ALL below average, insecure players!?!?!? Now there's some instant drama!! Way to put it out there!!

I do agree that the G doesn't care about development, just like any other league/team, but when you concentrate talent on top teams, playing day in and day out against top talent is in and of itself, development. But you can chose to deny that!

Still no "opinion" from you as to what the best way to approach developing ELITE level players here is! Not surprised.

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Guest wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:01 pm One AAA team per year sounds about right. That way we can beat up on all other teams in the province, especially those dastardly GTA teams. Why look, the 08 Ottawa District team just finished spanking the GTA team in the finals of the 2023 Draftday All-Star Prospects Showcase! Then, for sure we'd have what, 17 1st round OHL picks from Ottawa, because development!

Also, everyone would get all the ice time and special teams assignments that they want. No possible way any crazy parents could lose it under this type of utopia

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:15 pm Call it what you want, it's a travel team model-for "elite" players.

A private school model entails paying for school as well as hockey and most often living in a form. This is FAR from that, but continue to jump to the heights of exaggeration!!

HM(06), NA(07), ZL (04), KD(04), RS(03), just off the top of my head are all TOP players who went to the GTHL. just sayin!!

Are you saying that all the 07's who left this past year, either for the GTHL or other "non HEO" teams are ALL below average, insecure players!?!?!? Now there's some instant drama!! Way to put it out there!!

I do agree that the G doesn't care about development, just like any other league/team, but when you concentrate talent on top teams, playing day in and day out against top talent is in and of itself, development. But you can chose to deny that!

Still no "opinion" from you as to what the best way to approach developing ELITE level players here is! Not surprised.

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:25 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:15 pm Call it what you want, it's a travel team model-for "elite" players.

A private school model entails paying for school as well as hockey and most often living in a form. This is FAR from that, but continue to jump to the heights of exaggeration!!

HM(06), NA(07), ZL (04), KD(04), RS(03), just off the top of my head are all TOP players who went to the GTHL. just sayin!!

Are you saying that all the 07's who left this past year, either for the GTHL or other "non HEO" teams are ALL below average, insecure players!?!?!? Now there's some instant drama!! Way to put it out there!!

I do agree that the G doesn't care about development, just like any other league/team, but when you concentrate talent on top teams, playing day in and day out against top talent is in and of itself, development. But you can chose to deny that!

Still no "opinion" from you as to what the best way to approach developing ELITE level players here is! Not surprised.

lol the G teams are setup to play 2/3 of the time against cannon fodder. You'll never know for sure but none of the players who left really improved their draft results, and in most cases probably hurt them.

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Guest wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:39 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:01 pm One AAA team per year sounds about right. That way we can beat up on all other teams in the province, especially those dastardly GTA teams. Why look, the 08 Ottawa District team just finished spanking the GTA team in the finals of the 2023 Draftday All-Star Prospects Showcase! Then, for sure we'd have what, 17 1st round OHL picks from Ottawa, because development!

Also, everyone would get all the ice time and special teams assignments that they want. No possible way any crazy parents could lose it under this type of utopia

If you have the top 35 to 40 kids in each age group playing on only two teams. Things will never change. Not all players will play PP or PK. There will always be some top players and some players that are bottom 3/5.
The closer the gap between top 3 and bottom three is key.
Look at any NHL team. Your top 3 forwards eat up most of the ice time and the bottom 3 get enough ice time to give the top 3 players a rest.