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Guest wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:19 pm

Says the parent of the most entitled, delicate and confused generation of kids the world has ever seen. The parents of these fragile kids are the ones who are failing them…not teachers or coaches.

Far too many parents focus on preparing the road for their kids, rather than preparing their kids for the road.

Thanks to todays failed parenting, 8 out 10 kids who play any team sport today don’t have the mental and emotional fortitude nor sport IQ necessary to be coached.

So you want accountability to go only one way!

Typical of JT supporters.

Put yourself out there and give parents a choice so they can play for you, in your self absorbed low level hockey program, or leave freely-no strings. Coaches like you need protection and don't want people to have choice. You're weak, afraid and need administrative protection. Try earning your way for once and stand on your own. Have some dignity. You don't have the coping skills or resiliency to deal with being held accountable. That requires hard work and integrity. You have neither.

Here we go again with the borders...

As long as your kid is treated like a superstar, you have no issues with his coach...the minute that coach holds your kid accountable, you want to hold the coach accountable. Typical Karen...not getting your way so your cry for accountability.

If thats how "accountability" works...then somebody needs to hold you accountable for raising a lazy, selfish brat who's making Minor Atom mistakes in Bantam.

Physically and verbally assaulting a kid is holding him accountable because he told coaches kid to not take 4 min shifts? Ok pal.

VERBALLY ASSAULTING!!!

That's funny? This is a little more than you had a bad shift kid. How about cornering a kid in the room, grabbing him by the jersey, drunk, swearing and calling a 10 year old a piece of shit and that he's going to kick the shit out of him and he needs to learn how to shut his mouth. I'd say that qualifies.

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:37 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:29 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:19 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:12 am

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:00 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:52 am

So you want accountability to go only one way!

Typical of JT supporters.

Put yourself out there and give parents a choice so they can play for you, in your self absorbed low level hockey program, or leave freely-no strings. Coaches like you need protection and don't want people to have choice. You're weak, afraid and need administrative protection. Try earning your way for once and stand on your own. Have some dignity. You don't have the coping skills or resiliency to deal with being held accountable. That requires hard work and integrity. You have neither.

Here we go again with the borders...

As long as your kid is treated like a superstar, you have no issues with his coach...the minute that coach holds your kid accountable, you want to hold the coach accountable. Typical Karen...not getting your way so your cry for accountability.

If thats how "accountability" works...then somebody needs to hold you accountable for raising a lazy, selfish brat who's making Minor Atom mistakes in Bantam.

Physically and verbally assaulting a kid is holding him accountable because he told coaches kid to not take 4 min shifts? Ok pal.

VERBALLY ASSAULTING!!!

That's funny? This is a little more than you had a bad shift kid. How about cornering a kid in the room, grabbing him by the jersey, drunk, swearing and calling a 10 year old a piece of shit and that he's going to kick the shit out of him and he needs to learn how to shut his mouth. I'd say that qualifies.

if that is true, and it really happened and was witnessed by an adult, why are you posting about it here instead of getting the police involved?

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 10:35 am Most coaching is FAR below what should be expected. ZERO accountability, long term planning, collaboration and brutal communication with players and parents. Most are stuck in 80's style coaching.

Private coaching has "by far" the biggest and most positive impact on player development. The team coach is nearly redundant-more of a manager really. At the U16 and up ages, they offer value for teaching how to "think" the game. Even then, they can't teach fundamentals, never could.

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:27 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 10:35 am Most coaching is FAR below what should be expected. ZERO accountability, long term planning, collaboration and brutal communication with players and parents. Most are stuck in 80's style coaching.

Private coaching has "by far" the biggest and most positive impact on player development. The team coach is nearly redundant-more of a manager really. At the U16 and up ages, they offer value for teaching how to "think" the game. Even then, they can't teach fundamentals, never could.

Most coaches you are referring to were born in the 80's, some were born in the 90's and they've all completed the same D1 and HP training developed by HC. The training models are current and they are subject to the scrutiny of the org, the parent group of the team and the entire minor hockey community... in other words, they are not stuck in the 80's... the problem is you.

When your kid fails to meet the expectations of a HC and that coach holds him accountable, you accuse the coach of being stuck int he 80's.

When a paid instructor (who is often not a coach) takes your money and tells you how great your kid is, you think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. FYI - believing that your private instructor is teaching your kid how to "think the game" without being at the game to see him play is hilarious.

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 7:29 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:37 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:29 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:19 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:12 am

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:00 pm

Here we go again with the borders...

As long as your kid is treated like a superstar, you have no issues with his coach...the minute that coach holds your kid accountable, you want to hold the coach accountable. Typical Karen...not getting your way so your cry for accountability.

If thats how "accountability" works...then somebody needs to hold you accountable for raising a lazy, selfish brat who's making Minor Atom mistakes in Bantam.

Physically and verbally assaulting a kid is holding him accountable because he told coaches kid to not take 4 min shifts? Ok pal.

VERBALLY ASSAULTING!!!

That's funny? This is a little more than you had a bad shift kid. How about cornering a kid in the room, grabbing him by the jersey, drunk, swearing and calling a 10 year old a piece of shit and that he's going to kick the shit out of him and he needs to learn how to shut his mouth. I'd say that qualifies.

if that is true, and it really happened and was witnessed by an adult, why are you posting about it here instead of getting the police involved?

Most likely because witnesses said the kid deserved it.

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 11:57 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 7:29 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:37 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:29 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:19 am

Guest wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:12 am

Physically and verbally assaulting a kid is holding him accountable because he told coaches kid to not take 4 min shifts? Ok pal.

VERBALLY ASSAULTING!!!

That's funny? This is a little more than you had a bad shift kid. How about cornering a kid in the room, grabbing him by the jersey, drunk, swearing and calling a 10 year old a piece of shit and that he's going to kick the shit out of him and he needs to learn how to shut his mouth. I'd say that qualifies.

if that is true, and it really happened and was witnessed by an adult, why are you posting about it here instead of getting the police involved?

Most likely because witnesses said the kid deserved it.

I would love to be there when the police show up and say "did he verbally and physically assault the kid" and the witnesses say "yeah but the kid really kinda deserved it, hogging all the powerplay time". Be serious.

If you as a parent know this happened, and you leave your kid on the team, you're just as big a part of the problem.

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Guest wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:27 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 10:35 am Most coaching is FAR below what should be expected. ZERO accountability, long term planning, collaboration and brutal communication with players and parents. Most are stuck in 80's style coaching.

Private coaching has "by far" the biggest and most positive impact on player development. The team coach is nearly redundant-more of a manager really. At the U16 and up ages, they offer value for teaching how to "think" the game. Even then, they can't teach fundamentals, never could.

Most coaches you are referring to were born in the 80's, some were born in the 90's and they've all completed the same D1 and HP training developed by HC. The training models are current and they are subject to the scrutiny of the org, the parent group of the team and the entire minor hockey community... in other words, they are not stuck in the 80's... the problem is you.

When your kid fails to meet the expectations of a HC and that coach holds him accountable, you accuse the coach of being stuck int he 80's.

When a paid instructor (who is often not a coach) takes your money and tells you how great your kid is, you think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. FYI - believing that your private instructor is teaching your kid how to "think the game" without being at the game to see him play is hilarious.

This can't be a real post? Can it? HC, as well meaning as they are, have ZERO buy in to ANY of their coaching clinics, certifications or coaching plans. ZERO

There's literally no long term plan in any association, and EVERY coach, specifically at the higher competitive levels, will LAUGH at HC coach courses and roll their eyes at having to take the course. They ONLY do so because it's mandatory. There is literally no cooperation from coaches at different age groups or levels of play. You get what you get for a coach, and HOPE he's good. The next year your coach will be different, have different priorities, different strategies, different language in explaining things and there's ZERO consistent message to the kids. A coach at one level, doesn't give two shits what the coach at another level is doing. A coach of one age group couldn't care less about what the other age groups are doing. You wouldn't teach people anything, anywhere in this manner! Coaching should be curriculum based, and the coaches can participate in the building of the curriculum, but after that the plan must be followed in order for it to work.

NO ONE ever said a skills or skating coach taught the thinking aspects of the game. Comprehension is lost on you. I even conceded and said at U15 and up, this becomes at least somewhat of a mission for a HC. Even then I would probably trust the skills coach more.

Ask yourself what players do in the offseason to improve their game. What do they spend most of their time on? It's usually technical skating and skills. Working their shot. Working position specific situations. Getting in the gym. What are they NOT doing? They aren't going to class sessions to learn a better PK or PP, or how to play withing a system.

So who's more valuable to your kid reaching his potential?

Naive posts like yours are so brutal I just have to laugh.

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:38 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 6:21 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:27 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 10:35 am Most coaching is FAR below what should be expected. ZERO accountability, long term planning, collaboration and brutal communication with players and parents. Most are stuck in 80's style coaching.

Private coaching has "by far" the biggest and most positive impact on player development. The team coach is nearly redundant-more of a manager really. At the U16 and up ages, they offer value for teaching how to "think" the game. Even then, they can't teach fundamentals, never could.

Most coaches you are referring to were born in the 80's, some were born in the 90's and they've all completed the same D1 and HP training developed by HC. The training models are current and they are subject to the scrutiny of the org, the parent group of the team and the entire minor hockey community... in other words, they are not stuck in the 80's... the problem is you.

When your kid fails to meet the expectations of a HC and that coach holds him accountable, you accuse the coach of being stuck int he 80's.

When a paid instructor (who is often not a coach) takes your money and tells you how great your kid is, you think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. FYI - believing that your private instructor is teaching your kid how to "think the game" without being at the game to see him play is hilarious.

This can't be a real post? Can it? HC, as well meaning as they are, have ZERO buy in to ANY of their coaching clinics, certifications or coaching plans. ZERO

There's literally no long term plan in any association, and EVERY coach, specifically at the higher competitive levels, will LAUGH at HC coach courses and roll their eyes at having to take the course. They ONLY do so because it's mandatory. There is literally no cooperation from coaches at different age groups or levels of play. You get what you get for a coach, and HOPE he's good. The next year your coach will be different, have different priorities, different strategies, different language in explaining things and there's ZERO consistent message to the kids. A coach at one level, doesn't give two shits what the coach at another level is doing. A coach of one age group couldn't care less about what the other age groups are doing. You wouldn't teach people anything, anywhere in this manner! Coaching should be curriculum based, and the coaches can participate in the building of the curriculum, but after that the plan must be followed in order for it to work.

NO ONE ever said a skills or skating coach taught the thinking aspects of the game. Comprehension is lost on you. I even conceded and said at U15 and up, this becomes at least somewhat of a mission for a HC. Even then I would probably trust the skills coach more.

Ask yourself what players do in the offseason to improve their game. What do they spend most of their time on? It's usually technical skating and skills. Working their shot. Working position specific situations. Getting in the gym. What are they NOT doing? They aren't going to class sessions to learn a better PK or PP, or how to play withing a system.

So who's more valuable to your kid reaching his potential?

Naive posts like yours are so brutal I just have to laugh.

No it was your post that was brutal. And sad. No wonder you’re such a joke. Self induced!

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:38 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 6:21 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:27 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 10:35 am Most coaching is FAR below what should be expected. ZERO accountability, long term planning, collaboration and brutal communication with players and parents. Most are stuck in 80's style coaching.

Private coaching has "by far" the biggest and most positive impact on player development. The team coach is nearly redundant-more of a manager really. At the U16 and up ages, they offer value for teaching how to "think" the game. Even then, they can't teach fundamentals, never could.

Most coaches you are referring to were born in the 80's, some were born in the 90's and they've all completed the same D1 and HP training developed by HC. The training models are current and they are subject to the scrutiny of the org, the parent group of the team and the entire minor hockey community... in other words, they are not stuck in the 80's... the problem is you.

When your kid fails to meet the expectations of a HC and that coach holds him accountable, you accuse the coach of being stuck int he 80's.

When a paid instructor (who is often not a coach) takes your money and tells you how great your kid is, you think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. FYI - believing that your private instructor is teaching your kid how to "think the game" without being at the game to see him play is hilarious.

This can't be a real post? Can it? HC, as well meaning as they are, have ZERO buy in to ANY of their coaching clinics, certifications or coaching plans. ZERO

There's literally no long term plan in any association, and EVERY coach, specifically at the higher competitive levels, will LAUGH at HC coach courses and roll their eyes at having to take the course. They ONLY do so because it's mandatory. There is literally no cooperation from coaches at different age groups or levels of play. You get what you get for a coach, and HOPE he's good. The next year your coach will be different, have different priorities, different strategies, different language in explaining things and there's ZERO consistent message to the kids. A coach at one level, doesn't give two shits what the coach at another level is doing. A coach of one age group couldn't care less about what the other age groups are doing. You wouldn't teach people anything, anywhere in this manner! Coaching should be curriculum based, and the coaches can participate in the building of the curriculum, but after that the plan must be followed in order for it to work.

NO ONE ever said a skills or skating coach taught the thinking aspects of the game. Comprehension is lost on you. I even conceded and said at U15 and up, this becomes at least somewhat of a mission for a HC. Even then I would probably trust the skills coach more.

Ask yourself what players do in the offseason to improve their game. What do they spend most of their time on? It's usually technical skating and skills. Working their shot. Working position specific situations. Getting in the gym. What are they NOT doing? They aren't going to class sessions to learn a better PK or PP, or how to play withing a system.

So who's more valuable to your kid reaching his potential?

Naive posts like yours are so brutal I just have to laugh.

^^^hook line and sinker, hahaha.