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Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:54 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 7:56 am U9 is minor novice, U10 is major.

There’s a place for half-ice at U5/U6 heck even U7 for the most part. Once they get to U8(Tyke) it should go to full.

No, U10 is minor atom.

U8 is minor novice and U9 is major novice by the old terms. Most centers outside of the OMHA don't even offer AAA at these age groups because it doesn't matter when they're 7 and 8 years old.

So, how do they deal with kids who can skate around every other kid and shoot top shelf at 7yo? Do they let them play against the kids that lay on the ice and do snow angels?

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:00 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:54 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 7:56 am U9 is minor novice, U10 is major.

There’s a place for half-ice at U5/U6 heck even U7 for the most part. Once they get to U8(Tyke) it should go to full.

No, U10 is minor atom.

U8 is minor novice and U9 is major novice by the old terms. Most centers outside of the OMHA don't even offer AAA at these age groups because it doesn't matter when they're 7 and 8 years old.

So, how do they deal with kids who can skate around every other kid and shoot top shelf at 7yo? Do they let them play against the kids that lay on the ice and do snow angels?

They make them regress to the average

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:53 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:00 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:54 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 7:56 am U9 is minor novice, U10 is major.

There’s a place for half-ice at U5/U6 heck even U7 for the most part. Once they get to U8(Tyke) it should go to full.

No, U10 is minor atom.

U8 is minor novice and U9 is major novice by the old terms. Most centers outside of the OMHA don't even offer AAA at these age groups because it doesn't matter when they're 7 and 8 years old.

So, how do they deal with kids who can skate around every other kid and shoot top shelf at 7yo? Do they let them play against the kids that lay on the ice and do snow angels?

They make them regress to the average

Right, the hockey Canada way.

there is already a huge variance in skill in the same level with all the options we have now. Forget taking away some.

It doesn't matter how good a kid is at these young ages. A lot of kids will drop out of hockey altogether especially the ones being forced and pressured by parents and the kid has no interest in it. Others will drop out once checking starts. A kid that is amazing at 7,8,9 means nothing more than the fact that they started skating and playing earlier. Other kids will catch up. Only the kids who love hockey without being forced on them are the ones that will continue to get better.

It doesn't matter how good a kid is at these young ages. A lot of kids will drop out of hockey altogether especially the ones being forced and pressured by parents and the kid has no interest in it. Others will drop out once checking starts. A kid that is amazing at 7,8,9 means nothing more than the fact that they started skating and playing earlier. Other kids will catch up. Only the kids who love hockey without being forced on them are the ones that will continue to get better.

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:28 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:09 am

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 8:58 pm How true is it that OMHA will be bringing back U9AAA full ice next year?

I haven't heard anything personally. It would be smart if they did - but I think they are truly too stubborn to do it.

Don't they already move to full ice mid season?

IMO if they bump everything up earlier one year Klevr is dead. If they don’t do it this year then Klevr takes over everything high level up until U9. Once entrenched they will expand to older age groups and will succeed.

Hockey Canada needs to wake up because they’ve already lost BC and Alberta to these rogue leagues and risk losing Ontario and Quebec now too.

At some point you need to listen to your clients or risk losing them to someone that will provide what their seeking.

Moving u9 to full ice is in talks. But honestly parents need to chill. Full ice isn’t the end all be all. A development plans and coaching can take the kids a long way at this age. Relax everyone. Little jimmy can still make the NHL if he plays half ice hockey for a couple extra months.

Guest wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 10:23 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:28 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:09 am

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 8:58 pm How true is it that OMHA will be bringing back U9AAA full ice next year?

I haven't heard anything personally. It would be smart if they did - but I think they are truly too stubborn to do it.

Don't they already move to full ice mid season?

IMO if they bump everything up earlier one year Klevr is dead. If they don’t do it this year then Klevr takes over everything high level up until U9. Once entrenched they will expand to older age groups and will succeed.

Hockey Canada needs to wake up because they’ve already lost BC and Alberta to these rogue leagues and risk losing Ontario and Quebec now too.

At some point you need to listen to your clients or risk losing them to someone that will provide what their seeking.

Moving u9 to full ice is in talks. But honestly parents need to chill. Full ice isn’t the end all be all. A development plans and coaching can take the kids a long way at this age. Relax everyone. Little jimmy can still make the NHL if he plays half ice hockey for a couple extra months.

While it may be logical to assume few months don’t do much but here’s the difference. Early success means you get into better teams which leads to more ice time and quality repetitions. For an average case ( outlier excluded) this provides a significant advantage to continue to stay ahead. Lot of kids who play KSL or top tier spring teams have played full ice more and they blow by the half ice kids in game - both in terms of skill and speed. N early success can lead to getting onto a top tier team.

Guest wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:35 am

Guest wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 10:23 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:28 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:09 am

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 8:58 pm How true is it that OMHA will be bringing back U9AAA full ice next year?

I haven't heard anything personally. It would be smart if they did - but I think they are truly too stubborn to do it.

Don't they already move to full ice mid season?

IMO if they bump everything up earlier one year Klevr is dead. If they don’t do it this year then Klevr takes over everything high level up until U9. Once entrenched they will expand to older age groups and will succeed.

Hockey Canada needs to wake up because they’ve already lost BC and Alberta to these rogue leagues and risk losing Ontario and Quebec now too.

At some point you need to listen to your clients or risk losing them to someone that will provide what their seeking.

Moving u9 to full ice is in talks. But honestly parents need to chill. Full ice isn’t the end all be all. A development plans and coaching can take the kids a long way at this age. Relax everyone. Little jimmy can still make the NHL if he plays half ice hockey for a couple extra months.

While it may be logical to assume few months don’t do much but here’s the difference. Early success means you get into better teams which leads to more ice time and quality repetitions. For an average case ( outlier excluded) this provides a significant advantage to continue to stay ahead. Lot of kids who play KSL or top tier spring teams have played full ice more and they blow by the half ice kids in game - both in terms of skill and speed. N early success can lead to getting onto a top tier team.

100% agreed.

AAA OMHA tryouts proved this, once again, this year. We went to one as an under ager to see the level of play. Not with any real intention of making it. And we have friends with kids at other tryouts, and then just seeing the results on Instagram being posted by teams.

You can go to some other threads on his site to get more details, but the long and short of it is MD produced almost zero AAA players between:

WW, A/P, NS, COW, YSE, QRD, HS, BC

KSL and other "full ice programs" produced almost every single kid that will play AAA next year.

That DOESN'T mean that KSL is solely responsible for producing these kids. But, it clearly is correlated. Be it that they are legit better, or just better prepared, or the best kids happened to migrate, or a lot of the coaches are from KSL previously or there are just biases to ASSUME full ice kids are better?

But in this year of kids that made it to AAA thats what happened. We all know, once you are on a AAA team, its a lot easier to stay on a AAA team. That doesn't mean you will, but typically, unless there is a clear 100% upgrade coaches will ride with more or less the same kids year after year.