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Re: 2012 GTHL EAST AA

by Guest » Sun May 19, 2024 6:39 pm

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Guest wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:57 pm To be honest the coaching in this loop is nothing to be proud of. Explains why it’s weaker than the west.
A few families went to the west for better development.
Went to the west bc you couldn’t make an East team
This is true, know of at least one kid cut from my son’s team who is now in the west. Possibly two.
Kids move from East to West and vice versa for various reasons, it rarely has to do with the players ability. It's more about fit. The West is stronger if you look at the provincial rankings with 3 teams in the top 10 and 0 for the East. I don't believe an East team has won the AA GTHL championship in the 2012 AA loop. 2 different teams have in the West. Simple math here, numbers don't lie. Bottom end is stronger comparatively as well.

SYB - Basically the same team, minor tweaks. Should be marginally better.
TRT - Key components added. Stronger team overall.
MI - Added depth, will compete with top teams.
LF - Lateral moves. Mid Pack team.
NYK - Rebuild. Added talent, pressure will be on. Players will need to buy in to program otherwise will get a repeat of last year.
SIR - Had to do some last minute scrambling, lost some solid players. Lack of compete with the the bottom teams should keep them mid pack.
NT - Wild card, lost top tier player(s) and heart of team. Coaches didn't react quick enough.
FH - Could easily swap with mid pack teams. Some forwards added but may look similar to last year overall. Lots of question marks.
EE - Might get ugly.
“for various reasons” - in this case, a very specific reason, they weren’t offered a spot on team again this year, so have gone to the West. Rest of your point is valid but call a spade a spade, they were cut. I imagine there are kids cut in the west who have headed east - but again, the “reasons” were not “various”, they were cut.
That’s a pretty wild generalization to say that any kid who moves from the east to the west had to have been cut. My son went to a west team because we chose to leave our team pretty late in the process and most east teams were already set or waiting too long to make decisions. With the mustangs moving down there seemed to be way more kids trying for AA teams than spots to fill. After reaching out to some west teams we got offers from 4 teams including The Beast so the decision was a no brainer for us. The west teams are definitely more competitive with 5 teams in the top 20 in Ontario on My Hockey Rankings vs only 2 teams from the east.

Re: 2012 GTHL EAST AA

by Guest » Fri May 17, 2024 1:46 pm

Guest wrote: Fri May 17, 2024 10:51 am
Guest wrote: Fri May 17, 2024 10:26 am
EE needs to reset. new coach, team, recruit. it is clear they are pretty good in other age groups.
There is truth to this. I know players who wanted to relocate to EE based on location but steered clear because of the gong show its become.

People blame the coaching, the management, etc. It should never get personal. The fact is, whatever has been done in 2.5 out of 3 years has not worked.

Fact, the team played well enough at U10A to finish 2nd behind an Undefeated MI squad, but got knocked out early in the playoffs. They had a very strong 1st half of the season but based on 2nd Half of Season/Playoff performance, they were a mid pack A team that jumped up to AA for U11. They were nowhere closed to being the best team at U10A.

U11 you can chalk up to learning curve, i guess. Team moved up to AA, regardless of whether it was warranted or not, and struggled. Thats part of the process, you could say. Difficult season should have led to an evaluation of whether the right decision was made to move up with the current roster. If the plan was to stay (which it was) then it should have been open season during skates and tryouts. Instead, couple of band aid solutions were implemented and the team ran it back for U12.

U12, still fresh in mind, was just as ugly. DMM got the memo and went down to A. EE should have done the same, yet here we are, The damage done to the 2012 squad appears irreparable, as no AA player wants to go there, under the current structure. . As stated above, there are parents who would want to bring their kids here instead of travelling further to play, if they had confidence in the people running the team. They do not, and as such EE will trot out another roster fielded with Kids, who are good kids, but clearly playing above the level they should be playing at. DMM will not dominate U13 at A but they will be competitive. That would have also been the case for the current EE roster had they dropped down. We aren't talking about a team who would win 80%+ of the games at A. However, they would have at least been competitive.

The Association needs to set aside any bias they have, and step in after the 2024/2025 season brutally ends, and either drop this team down to A or relieve the Coaching/Management of their duties and replace them. Failure to do so will deter any top level talent from wanting to join this team, and we will all be having this same conversation again this time next year.
Sounds like they need to do what the Knights did a year ago. I know we rip apart that head coach but the organization clearly stepped in and did the right thing in order to take steps to make them competitive again. The exact thing EE should have done. The Knights a year ago were worse than DMM & EE combined. Go look at the 2022/2023 scores and compare them to the 2023/2024 season. EE should do the same and it will benefit all the kids in the loop.
Agreed. It's not just Coaching its putting the work in to field a competitive team. Its making difficult decisions, like cutting kids who are struggling. Cuts aren't easy, but you can be Human about it. You can explain to a parent that their child would be better suited improving their play at a lower level and putting in the work to make it back up.

Re: 2012 GTHL EAST AA

by Guest » Fri May 17, 2024 1:43 pm

Guest wrote: Fri May 17, 2024 12:16 pm :D
Guest wrote: Fri May 17, 2024 11:47 am
Guest wrote: Fri May 17, 2024 10:51 am
Guest wrote: Fri May 17, 2024 10:26 am
EE needs to reset. new coach, team, recruit. it is clear they are pretty good in other age groups.
There is truth to this. I know players who wanted to relocate to EE based on location but steered clear because of the gong show its become.

People blame the coaching, the management, etc. It should never get personal. The fact is, whatever has been done in 2.5 out of 3 years has not worked.

Fact, the team played well enough at U10A to finish 2nd behind an Undefeated MI squad, but got knocked out early in the playoffs. They had a very strong 1st half of the season but based on 2nd Half of Season/Playoff performance, they were a mid pack A team that jumped up to AA for U11. They were nowhere closed to being the best team at U10A.

U11 you can chalk up to learning curve, i guess. Team moved up to AA, regardless of whether it was warranted or not, and struggled. Thats part of the process, you could say. Difficult season should have led to an evaluation of whether the right decision was made to move up with the current roster. If the plan was to stay (which it was) then it should have been open season during skates and tryouts. Instead, couple of band aid solutions were implemented and the team ran it back for U12.

U12, still fresh in mind, was just as ugly. DMM got the memo and went down to A. EE should have done the same, yet here we are, The damage done to the 2012 squad appears irreparable, as no AA player wants to go there, under the current structure. . As stated above, there are parents who would want to bring their kids here instead of travelling further to play, if they had confidence in the people running the team. They do not, and as such EE will trot out another roster fielded with Kids, who are good kids, but clearly playing above the level they should be playing at. DMM will not dominate U13 at A but they will be competitive. That would have also been the case for the current EE roster had they dropped down. We aren't talking about a team who would win 80%+ of the games at A. However, they would have at least been competitive.

The Association needs to set aside any bias they have, and step in after the 2024/2025 season brutally ends, and either drop this team down to A or relieve the Coaching/Management of their duties and replace them. Failure to do so will deter any top level talent from wanting to join this team, and we will all be having this same conversation again this time next year.
Sounds like they need to do what the Knights did a year ago. I know we rip apart that head coach but the organization clearly stepped in and did the right thing in order to take steps to make them competitive again. The exact thing EE should have done. The Knights a year ago were worse than DMM & EE combined. Go look at the 2022/2023 scores and compare them to the 2023/2024 season. EE should do the same and it will benefit all the kids in the loop.
Let's see how NYK does this weekend in canlan tournament. will be up against some solid competition.
What team are they listed as in the Canlan Tournament
TL Dev. Whole roster is listed. go nuts.

Re: 2012 GTHL EAST AA

by Guest » Fri May 17, 2024 12:16 pm

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Guest wrote: Fri May 17, 2024 11:47 am
Guest wrote: Fri May 17, 2024 10:51 am
Guest wrote: Fri May 17, 2024 10:26 am
EE needs to reset. new coach, team, recruit. it is clear they are pretty good in other age groups.
There is truth to this. I know players who wanted to relocate to EE based on location but steered clear because of the gong show its become.

People blame the coaching, the management, etc. It should never get personal. The fact is, whatever has been done in 2.5 out of 3 years has not worked.

Fact, the team played well enough at U10A to finish 2nd behind an Undefeated MI squad, but got knocked out early in the playoffs. They had a very strong 1st half of the season but based on 2nd Half of Season/Playoff performance, they were a mid pack A team that jumped up to AA for U11. They were nowhere closed to being the best team at U10A.

U11 you can chalk up to learning curve, i guess. Team moved up to AA, regardless of whether it was warranted or not, and struggled. Thats part of the process, you could say. Difficult season should have led to an evaluation of whether the right decision was made to move up with the current roster. If the plan was to stay (which it was) then it should have been open season during skates and tryouts. Instead, couple of band aid solutions were implemented and the team ran it back for U12.

U12, still fresh in mind, was just as ugly. DMM got the memo and went down to A. EE should have done the same, yet here we are, The damage done to the 2012 squad appears irreparable, as no AA player wants to go there, under the current structure. . As stated above, there are parents who would want to bring their kids here instead of travelling further to play, if they had confidence in the people running the team. They do not, and as such EE will trot out another roster fielded with Kids, who are good kids, but clearly playing above the level they should be playing at. DMM will not dominate U13 at A but they will be competitive. That would have also been the case for the current EE roster had they dropped down. We aren't talking about a team who would win 80%+ of the games at A. However, they would have at least been competitive.

The Association needs to set aside any bias they have, and step in after the 2024/2025 season brutally ends, and either drop this team down to A or relieve the Coaching/Management of their duties and replace them. Failure to do so will deter any top level talent from wanting to join this team, and we will all be having this same conversation again this time next year.
Sounds like they need to do what the Knights did a year ago. I know we rip apart that head coach but the organization clearly stepped in and did the right thing in order to take steps to make them competitive again. The exact thing EE should have done. The Knights a year ago were worse than DMM & EE combined. Go look at the 2022/2023 scores and compare them to the 2023/2024 season. EE should do the same and it will benefit all the kids in the loop.
Let's see how NYK does this weekend in canlan tournament. will be up against some solid competition.
What team are they listed as in the Canlan Tournament

Re: 2012 GTHL EAST AA

by Guest » Fri May 17, 2024 12:02 pm

A successful team is skilled kids and a good system that a good coach implements.
Kids need to build chemistry and work together on a solid system. You also cant have a discrepancy of skill on a team. It’s important to make a few changes every year to get the kids in and around the same skill level.

Re: 2012 GTHL EAST AA

by Guest » Fri May 17, 2024 11:47 am

Guest wrote: Fri May 17, 2024 10:51 am
Guest wrote: Fri May 17, 2024 10:26 am
EE needs to reset. new coach, team, recruit. it is clear they are pretty good in other age groups.
There is truth to this. I know players who wanted to relocate to EE based on location but steered clear because of the gong show its become.

People blame the coaching, the management, etc. It should never get personal. The fact is, whatever has been done in 2.5 out of 3 years has not worked.

Fact, the team played well enough at U10A to finish 2nd behind an Undefeated MI squad, but got knocked out early in the playoffs. They had a very strong 1st half of the season but based on 2nd Half of Season/Playoff performance, they were a mid pack A team that jumped up to AA for U11. They were nowhere closed to being the best team at U10A.

U11 you can chalk up to learning curve, i guess. Team moved up to AA, regardless of whether it was warranted or not, and struggled. Thats part of the process, you could say. Difficult season should have led to an evaluation of whether the right decision was made to move up with the current roster. If the plan was to stay (which it was) then it should have been open season during skates and tryouts. Instead, couple of band aid solutions were implemented and the team ran it back for U12.

U12, still fresh in mind, was just as ugly. DMM got the memo and went down to A. EE should have done the same, yet here we are, The damage done to the 2012 squad appears irreparable, as no AA player wants to go there, under the current structure. . As stated above, there are parents who would want to bring their kids here instead of travelling further to play, if they had confidence in the people running the team. They do not, and as such EE will trot out another roster fielded with Kids, who are good kids, but clearly playing above the level they should be playing at. DMM will not dominate U13 at A but they will be competitive. That would have also been the case for the current EE roster had they dropped down. We aren't talking about a team who would win 80%+ of the games at A. However, they would have at least been competitive.

The Association needs to set aside any bias they have, and step in after the 2024/2025 season brutally ends, and either drop this team down to A or relieve the Coaching/Management of their duties and replace them. Failure to do so will deter any top level talent from wanting to join this team, and we will all be having this same conversation again this time next year.
Sounds like they need to do what the Knights did a year ago. I know we rip apart that head coach but the organization clearly stepped in and did the right thing in order to take steps to make them competitive again. The exact thing EE should have done. The Knights a year ago were worse than DMM & EE combined. Go look at the 2022/2023 scores and compare them to the 2023/2024 season. EE should do the same and it will benefit all the kids in the loop.
Let's see how NYK does this weekend in canlan tournament. will be up against some solid competition.

Re: 2012 GTHL EAST AA

by Guest » Fri May 17, 2024 11:30 am

Sounds like they need to do what the Knights did a year ago. I know we rip apart that head coach but the organization clearly stepped in and did the right thing in order to take steps to make them competitive again. The exact thing EE should have done. The Knights a year ago were worse than DMM & EE combined. Go look at the 2022/2023 scores and compare them to the 2023/2024 season. EE should do the same and it will benefit all the kids in the loop.
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I agree, take any kid that can play high A or AA and try them out 1 year while recruiting for the next year. If they were proactive there could have been a mix of kids flocking there for a restart and a surprise quick rebuild. TRT grabbed players who were sick of playing with coaches kids with no upside. The irony is TRT coaches all have kids on the team too. Maybe TRT coaches are better.

Re: 2012 GTHL EAST AA

by Guest » Fri May 17, 2024 10:51 am

Guest wrote: Fri May 17, 2024 10:26 am
EE needs to reset. new coach, team, recruit. it is clear they are pretty good in other age groups.
There is truth to this. I know players who wanted to relocate to EE based on location but steered clear because of the gong show its become.

People blame the coaching, the management, etc. It should never get personal. The fact is, whatever has been done in 2.5 out of 3 years has not worked.

Fact, the team played well enough at U10A to finish 2nd behind an Undefeated MI squad, but got knocked out early in the playoffs. They had a very strong 1st half of the season but based on 2nd Half of Season/Playoff performance, they were a mid pack A team that jumped up to AA for U11. They were nowhere closed to being the best team at U10A.

U11 you can chalk up to learning curve, i guess. Team moved up to AA, regardless of whether it was warranted or not, and struggled. Thats part of the process, you could say. Difficult season should have led to an evaluation of whether the right decision was made to move up with the current roster. If the plan was to stay (which it was) then it should have been open season during skates and tryouts. Instead, couple of band aid solutions were implemented and the team ran it back for U12.

U12, still fresh in mind, was just as ugly. DMM got the memo and went down to A. EE should have done the same, yet here we are, The damage done to the 2012 squad appears irreparable, as no AA player wants to go there, under the current structure. . As stated above, there are parents who would want to bring their kids here instead of travelling further to play, if they had confidence in the people running the team. They do not, and as such EE will trot out another roster fielded with Kids, who are good kids, but clearly playing above the level they should be playing at. DMM will not dominate U13 at A but they will be competitive. That would have also been the case for the current EE roster had they dropped down. We aren't talking about a team who would win 80%+ of the games at A. However, they would have at least been competitive.

The Association needs to set aside any bias they have, and step in after the 2024/2025 season brutally ends, and either drop this team down to A or relieve the Coaching/Management of their duties and replace them. Failure to do so will deter any top level talent from wanting to join this team, and we will all be having this same conversation again this time next year.
Sounds like they need to do what the Knights did a year ago. I know we rip apart that head coach but the organization clearly stepped in and did the right thing in order to take steps to make them competitive again. The exact thing EE should have done. The Knights a year ago were worse than DMM & EE combined. Go look at the 2022/2023 scores and compare them to the 2023/2024 season. EE should do the same and it will benefit all the kids in the loop.

Re: 2012 GTHL EAST AA

by Guest » Fri May 17, 2024 10:26 am

EE needs to reset. new coach, team, recruit. it is clear they are pretty good in other age groups.
There is truth to this. I know players who wanted to relocate to EE based on location but steered clear because of the gong show its become.

People blame the coaching, the management, etc. It should never get personal. The fact is, whatever has been done in 2.5 out of 3 years has not worked.

Fact, the team played well enough at U10A to finish 2nd behind an Undefeated MI squad, but got knocked out early in the playoffs. They had a very strong 1st half of the season but based on 2nd Half of Season/Playoff performance, they were a mid pack A team that jumped up to AA for U11. They were nowhere closed to being the best team at U10A.

U11 you can chalk up to learning curve, i guess. Team moved up to AA, regardless of whether it was warranted or not, and struggled. Thats part of the process, you could say. Difficult season should have led to an evaluation of whether the right decision was made to move up with the current roster. If the plan was to stay (which it was) then it should have been open season during skates and tryouts. Instead, couple of band aid solutions were implemented and the team ran it back for U12.

U12, still fresh in mind, was just as ugly. DMM got the memo and went down to A. EE should have done the same, yet here we are, The damage done to the 2012 squad appears irreparable, as no AA player wants to go there, under the current structure. . As stated above, there are parents who would want to bring their kids here instead of travelling further to play, if they had confidence in the people running the team. They do not, and as such EE will trot out another roster fielded with Kids, who are good kids, but clearly playing above the level they should be playing at. DMM will not dominate U13 at A but they will be competitive. That would have also been the case for the current EE roster had they dropped down. We aren't talking about a team who would win 80%+ of the games at A. However, they would have at least been competitive.

The Association needs to set aside any bias they have, and step in after the 2024/2025 season brutally ends, and either drop this team down to A or relieve the Coaching/Management of their duties and replace them. Failure to do so will deter any top level talent from wanting to join this team, and we will all be having this same conversation again this time next year.

Re: 2012 GTHL EAST AA

by Guest » Fri May 17, 2024 9:58 am

Guest wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 9:53 pm
Guest wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 5:18 pm
Guest wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:37 pm
Guest wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:35 pm FH will finish higher. They picked up some difference makers and the coach knows what he is doing.
NYK not building a core. No development

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Guest wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:24 pm
Guest wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:12 pm

I don’t see how they’re going to finish higher than 8th
1. SYB
2. TR
3-5. MI / LF / NYK
6-7. NT / SIR
8. FH
9. EE
Switch FH with NT and SIR with NYK.
Stop NYK cut. NYK picked up SIR top scorer and SIR filled with DMM kids & AA cuts. NYK will demolish SIR
Yup.
Top scorer on a team that doesn't score much means nothing. We all know that player and he plays alone. TRT grabbed the better players from SIR
NYK coaches may have helped build the roster, now they have to coach them.
TRT and SYB have the best coaches which their rosters make them look better.
MI and LF coaches are too emotional and gets their kids doing stupid things on the ice.
FH SIR and NT has no one and their coaches won't be able to get them into top 5.
EE needs to reset. new coach, team, recruit. it is clear they are pretty good in other age groups.

TRT, MI, SYB are top 3 in any order
LF and NYK playing for 4th
the rest should sign up for lots of extra skills and skating because you are just easy wins on the schedule.

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