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OMHA Dad wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 4:52 pm I know two kids that are on the PH Brick team this year from our area. Two best players on their AAA team and they were recruited to tryout. PH and TB have their teams recruited before the tryouts even start so if you haven’t been asked to come, probably not worth the inflated tryout fees…

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 8:55 am

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:35 am "Monopoly" is the keyword here. It's all about who has the most money. So many talented kids will never see the light of day due to a lack of finances. It's a real shame that these kids will never reach their full potential. Add in parent coaches who do not care about all players and their development and it's a recipe for failure. In a few short years, Canada will struggle to produce the best players in the world. It all starts from the half-ice fiasco in major novice to how Hockey Canada has emphasized skill development over teaching the game. If coaches focused 80% on the game during practices and 20% on skill, kids would be so much better off. Skill development is very important, but shouldn't be the focus in "hockey" practices. Do skill development privately; there are endless options.
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I’m sorry, but that statement includes several points that are not entirely accurate. Firstly, while money can be a factor in terms of resources and access to training, it is not the sole determining factor in a player’s success. There are many examples of successful players who came from humble beginnings, but worked hard and developed their abilities.

Furthermore, while it is true that some parent coaches may not prioritize the development of all players equally, this is not a universal truth. Many coaches are dedicated to the development of their players as a team, and strive to foster a positive and inclusive environment.

Regarding Canada’s future success in producing great players, it’s difficult to make predictions as to how this will unfold, and it’s not productive to jump to the conclusion that they will struggle without a comprehensive evaluation of the full picture. Additionally, Hockey Canada has put great emphasis on player development in recent years, and while their approach may not be perfect, it shows a clear commitment to improving the skills and abilities of young players across Canada.

Lastly, while the balance between game and skill development varies, skill development is an essential component of hockey and cannot be ignored entirely. A balanced practice session that includes skill development alongside game strategy and play can provide the best results for the individual development of each player and the team as a whole.

In summary, while certain valid points are raised, a blanket statement accusing the entire system and all coaches is not entirely accurate or fair. It is important to adopt a balanced perspective when evaluating these issues.

My favorite part of this rant is that you first complain about the financial blockades to so many potentially great players but then end by saying team practices shouldn't focus on skill but that people should seek that privately. What side are you on?

Guest wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:57 am Why do the two organizations have a monopoly on the ontario based teams? The amount of $ they charge for “tryouts” which ends up being $120 with 50 kids on the ice going around cones, is criminal.

Should there not be a “little league” style tournament that dictates who gets awarded the two teams. Its time for a change. The stories of berating kids, coaching half drunk and overall unprofessional behaviour should no be awarded with perpetual rights field a team.

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:35 am "Monopoly" is the keyword here. It's all about who has the most money. So many talented kids will never see the light of day due to a lack of finances. It's a real shame that these kids will never reach their full potential. Add in parent coaches who do not care about all players and their development and it's a recipe for failure. In a few short years, Canada will struggle to produce the best players in the world. It all starts from the half-ice fiasco in major novice to how Hockey Canada has emphasized skill development over teaching the game. If coaches focused 80% on the game during practices and 20% on skill, kids would be so much better off. Skill development is very important, but shouldn't be the focus in "hockey" practices. Do skill development privately; there are endless options.
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I’m sorry, but that statement includes several points that are not entirely accurate. Firstly, while money can be a factor in terms of resources and access to training, it is not the sole determining factor in a player’s success. There are many examples of successful players who came from humble beginnings, but worked hard and developed their abilities.

Furthermore, while it is true that some parent coaches may not prioritize the development of all players equally, this is not a universal truth. Many coaches are dedicated to the development of their players as a team, and strive to foster a positive and inclusive environment.

Regarding Canada’s future success in producing great players, it’s difficult to make predictions as to how this will unfold, and it’s not productive to jump to the conclusion that they will struggle without a comprehensive evaluation of the full picture. Additionally, Hockey Canada has put great emphasis on player development in recent years, and while their approach may not be perfect, it shows a clear commitment to improving the skills and abilities of young players across Canada.

Lastly, while the balance between game and skill development varies, skill development is an essential component of hockey and cannot be ignored entirely. A balanced practice session that includes skill development alongside game strategy and play can provide the best results for the individual development of each player and the team as a whole.

In summary, while certain valid points are raised, a blanket statement accusing the entire system and all coaches is not entirely accurate or fair. It is important to adopt a balanced perspective when evaluating these issues.

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:44 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:45 am

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:11 am

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:56 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:20 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:44 pm


USA teams are each allowed up to 3 import players from Canada. Ontario teams aren’t allowed any imports because of the wealth of talent here.
If you haven’t heard from any teams yet, go ahead and reach out. If your questions aren’t a troll then they’re certainly better suited for the American organizations themselves. Good luck.

This would be false, look at all the US and intl kids that played for tb and ph over the years

Name a couple then? You can’t. Because PH and TB have never been allowed to have imports.

Any kids coming to try out from outside Ontario are pissing their money away because they will not be allowed on the roster. The brick tournament has always had that rule for Ontario teams. It’s not really fair but Ontario also has by far the most talent.

Hughes
Wahlstrom
Tortora
Drummond
Barnes
Doran
soffer

The Hughes brothers were born in the USA but they all grew up in Toronto and they all played for TM. Dad worked for the Leafs. It doesn’t count as an import if you’re a full time Ontario resident.

Tortora played 3 years for DMF. Another full time Ontario resident.

Wahlstrom lived with his mother in Ontario splitting time between parents and played several summers for BD.

You get the idea. If you’re a full time Ontario resident you don’t count as an import no matter where you were born.

Every other team is allowed 3 players who have no ties to the province/state the team is in. PH and TB can’t do that. That’s why you see some Ontario kids who got cut from PH and TB playing in Boston or wherever they can get a spot.

PA is allowed 4 imports this year because if they don’t have a better showing (1 win over the past 2 brick tournaments) they will have their charter pulled. Brick renews each team charter every 3 years to weed out any habitually non competitive teams.

I know the Hughes kids grew up here but besides that my son played in the brick last year 2011s and that is true about Ontario teams not allowed imports.

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:44 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:45 am

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:11 am

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:56 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:20 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:44 pm


USA teams are each allowed up to 3 import players from Canada. Ontario teams aren’t allowed any imports because of the wealth of talent here.
If you haven’t heard from any teams yet, go ahead and reach out. If your questions aren’t a troll then they’re certainly better suited for the American organizations themselves. Good luck.

This would be false, look at all the US and intl kids that played for tb and ph over the years

Name a couple then? You can’t. Because PH and TB have never been allowed to have imports.

Any kids coming to try out from outside Ontario are pissing their money away because they will not be allowed on the roster. The brick tournament has always had that rule for Ontario teams. It’s not really fair but Ontario also has by far the most talent.

Hughes
Wahlstrom
Tortora
Drummond
Barnes
Doran
soffer

The Hughes brothers were born in the USA but they all grew up in Toronto and they all played for TM. Dad worked for the Leafs. It doesn’t count as an import if you’re a full time Ontario resident.

Tortora played 3 years for DMF. Another full time Ontario resident.

Wahlstrom lived with his mother in Ontario splitting time between parents and played several summers for BD.

You get the idea. If you’re a full time Ontario resident you don’t count as an import no matter where you were born.

Every other team is allowed 3 players who have no ties to the province/state the team is in. PH and TB can’t do that. That’s why you see some Ontario kids who got cut from PH and TB playing in Boston or wherever they can get a spot.

PA is allowed 4 imports this year because if they don’t have a better showing (1 win over the past 2 brick tournaments) they will have their charter pulled. Brick renews each team charter every 3 years to weed out any habitually non competitive teams.

I know the Hughes kids grew up here but besides that my son played in the brick last year 2011s and that is true about Ontario teams not allowed imports.

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:45 am

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:11 am

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:56 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:20 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:44 pm

Pizza guy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:38 pm Thanks for the input.

I also have my own coaches that I’m very happy with for my son’s development. I don’t want to be part of another program just for the brick.

Do these teams allow walk on players at the last minute (2-3 months before the brick tourney) or are they pretty committed to the players that are part of their organizations for the last couple of years leading up to the Brick?

Would I be allowed to have him play with one of the USA teams? We are resident of the GTA.

USA teams are each allowed up to 3 import players from Canada. Ontario teams aren’t allowed any imports because of the wealth of talent here.
If you haven’t heard from any teams yet, go ahead and reach out. If your questions aren’t a troll then they’re certainly better suited for the American organizations themselves. Good luck.

This would be false, look at all the US and intl kids that played for tb and ph over the years

Name a couple then? You can’t. Because PH and TB have never been allowed to have imports.

Any kids coming to try out from outside Ontario are pissing their money away because they will not be allowed on the roster. The brick tournament has always had that rule for Ontario teams. It’s not really fair but Ontario also has by far the most talent.

Hughes
Wahlstrom
Tortora
Drummond
Barnes
Doran
soffer

The Hughes brothers were born in the USA but they all grew up in Toronto and they all played for TM. Dad worked for the Leafs. It doesn’t count as an import if you’re a full time Ontario resident.

Tortora played 3 years for DMF. Another full time Ontario resident.

Wahlstrom lived with his mother in Ontario splitting time between parents and played several summers for BD.

You get the idea. If you’re a full time Ontario resident you don’t count as an import no matter where you were born.

Every other team is allowed 3 players who have no ties to the province/state the team is in. PH and TB can’t do that. That’s why you see some Ontario kids who got cut from PH and TB playing in Boston or wherever they can get a spot.

PA is allowed 4 imports this year because if they don’t have a better showing (1 win over the past 2 brick tournaments) they will have their charter pulled. Brick renews each team charter every 3 years to weed out any habitually non competitive teams.

Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:11 am

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:56 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:20 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:44 pm

Pizza guy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:38 pm Thanks for the input.

I also have my own coaches that I’m very happy with for my son’s development. I don’t want to be part of another program just for the brick.

Do these teams allow walk on players at the last minute (2-3 months before the brick tourney) or are they pretty committed to the players that are part of their organizations for the last couple of years leading up to the Brick?

Would I be allowed to have him play with one of the USA teams? We are resident of the GTA.

USA teams are each allowed up to 3 import players from Canada. Ontario teams aren’t allowed any imports because of the wealth of talent here.
If you haven’t heard from any teams yet, go ahead and reach out. If your questions aren’t a troll then they’re certainly better suited for the American organizations themselves. Good luck.

This would be false, look at all the US and intl kids that played for tb and ph over the years

Name a couple then? You can’t. Because PH and TB have never been allowed to have imports.

Any kids coming to try out from outside Ontario are pissing their money away because they will not be allowed on the roster. The brick tournament has always had that rule for Ontario teams. It’s not really fair but Ontario also has by far the most talent.

Hughes
Wahlstrom
Tortora
Drummond
Barnes
Doran
soffer

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:56 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:20 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:44 pm

Pizza guy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:38 pm Thanks for the input.

I also have my own coaches that I’m very happy with for my son’s development. I don’t want to be part of another program just for the brick.

Do these teams allow walk on players at the last minute (2-3 months before the brick tourney) or are they pretty committed to the players that are part of their organizations for the last couple of years leading up to the Brick?

Would I be allowed to have him play with one of the USA teams? We are resident of the GTA.

USA teams are each allowed up to 3 import players from Canada. Ontario teams aren’t allowed any imports because of the wealth of talent here.
If you haven’t heard from any teams yet, go ahead and reach out. If your questions aren’t a troll then they’re certainly better suited for the American organizations themselves. Good luck.

This would be false, look at all the US and intl kids that played for tb and ph over the years

Name a couple then? You can’t. Because PH and TB have never been allowed to have imports.

Any kids coming to try out from outside Ontario are pissing their money away because they will not be allowed on the roster. The brick tournament has always had that rule for Ontario teams. It’s not really fair but Ontario also has by far the most talent.