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Re: OMHA u9 AAA full ice

by Guest » Tue May 07, 2024 10:25 am

OMHA U9, just saw that one of the teams announced T1 U9MD.

Does this finally mean they are doing full ice?

Re: OMHA u9 AAA full ice

by Guest » Tue May 07, 2024 8:46 am

Guest wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 2:21 pm
Guest wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 11:36 am so I'm a new hockey parent and appreciate the info provided here.
and I do think ksl is great option.

omha unofficially announced competitive pathway program (cpp) which is a more formal select program. every club has advertised this on their website.

my son is u7 and already plays for rep soccer academy and Ontario soccer don't keep score until u12. I don't agree hockey u7-u8 should.keep score and kids should be losing 10-0, 20-0.

I agree elite ppl should join ksl however my son is great skater (played house league for two yrs where no select team existed) and I considered trying out but do feel it's a cash grab. also I don't want to join AAA since hockey is not his primary sport and the way some of u guys bash each other I have no interest in joining elite status. my son will tryout for U8 MD and I will test the rep waters before things get crazier by u10.

anyway hockey environment is pretty nuts compared to rep soccer and bball which I have experience in. you guys just need to cool off (the parent bashing is insane) and follow some youth sports social media accounts that promote multi sport athletes and not burning out your kids. but I understand, there is pathway to nhl moreso than NBA and FIFA in Canada...

anyway good luck y'all but think more long term development about your kids (and not just winning) and be careful of burnout
I read until you said Soccer and vomited. Your opinion is useless if you think the way Ontario does Soccer is the "ideal way to model hockey after"

Biggest complaint by parents is that by the time they are playing by the full set of rules, kids in Europe are being selected to go pro.

And yes, your silk wearing, falling over because another player touched him, son - is best to not be in any serious hockey anyways. thanks for doing everyone a favour.
I also find it hilarious that anyone would look at soccer Ontario for how things should be done when Soccer moved to the private leagues WAY before minor hockey. All the best players are playing for academy's that are outside of the Soccer Ontario rules. They literally just proved that KSL is the way to go.

Re: OMHA u9 AAA full ice

by Guest » Mon May 06, 2024 2:21 pm

Guest wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 11:36 am so I'm a new hockey parent and appreciate the info provided here.
and I do think ksl is great option.

omha unofficially announced competitive pathway program (cpp) which is a more formal select program. every club has advertised this on their website.

my son is u7 and already plays for rep soccer academy and Ontario soccer don't keep score until u12. I don't agree hockey u7-u8 should.keep score and kids should be losing 10-0, 20-0.

I agree elite ppl should join ksl however my son is great skater (played house league for two yrs where no select team existed) and I considered trying out but do feel it's a cash grab. also I don't want to join AAA since hockey is not his primary sport and the way some of u guys bash each other I have no interest in joining elite status. my son will tryout for U8 MD and I will test the rep waters before things get crazier by u10.

anyway hockey environment is pretty nuts compared to rep soccer and bball which I have experience in. you guys just need to cool off (the parent bashing is insane) and follow some youth sports social media accounts that promote multi sport athletes and not burning out your kids. but I understand, there is pathway to nhl moreso than NBA and FIFA in Canada...

anyway good luck y'all but think more long term development about your kids (and not just winning) and be careful of burnout
I read until you said Soccer and vomited. Your opinion is useless if you think the way Ontario does Soccer is the "ideal way to model hockey after"

Biggest complaint by parents is that by the time they are playing by the full set of rules, kids in Europe are being selected to go pro.

And yes, your silk wearing, falling over because another player touched him, son - is best to not be in any serious hockey anyways. thanks for doing everyone a favour.

Re: OMHA u9 AAA full ice

by Guest » Mon May 06, 2024 11:36 am

so I'm a new hockey parent and appreciate the info provided here.
and I do think ksl is great option.

omha unofficially announced competitive pathway program (cpp) which is a more formal select program. every club has advertised this on their website.

my son is u7 and already plays for rep soccer academy and Ontario soccer don't keep score until u12. I don't agree hockey u7-u8 should.keep score and kids should be losing 10-0, 20-0.

I agree elite ppl should join ksl however my son is great skater (played house league for two yrs where no select team existed) and I considered trying out but do feel it's a cash grab. also I don't want to join AAA since hockey is not his primary sport and the way some of u guys bash each other I have no interest in joining elite status. my son will tryout for U8 MD and I will test the rep waters before things get crazier by u10.

anyway hockey environment is pretty nuts compared to rep soccer and bball which I have experience in. you guys just need to cool off (the parent bashing is insane) and follow some youth sports social media accounts that promote multi sport athletes and not burning out your kids. but I understand, there is pathway to nhl moreso than NBA and FIFA in Canada...

anyway good luck y'all but think more long term development about your kids (and not just winning) and be careful of burnout

Re: OMHA u9 AAA full ice

by Guest » Mon May 06, 2024 9:21 am

Guest wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 6:15 am
Guest wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 11:21 pm
Guest wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:28 am
Guest wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:09 am
Guest wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 8:58 pm How true is it that OMHA will be bringing back U9AAA full ice next year?
I haven't heard anything personally. It would be smart if they did - but I think they are truly too stubborn to do it.

Don't they already move to full ice mid season?
IMO if they bump everything up earlier one year Klevr is dead. If they don’t do it this year then Klevr takes over everything high level up until U9. Once entrenched they will expand to older age groups and will succeed.

Hockey Canada needs to wake up because they’ve already lost BC and Alberta to these rogue leagues and risk losing Ontario and Quebec now too.

At some point you need to listen to your clients or risk losing them to someone that will provide what their seeking.
Half ice isn’t as bad as people make it out to be. Maybe it should end in u8 though. Kids get a bit too big after the U8 year. Before u8 it’s golden.
Should end half way thru u8
I agree in general. BUT, there are still kids who are way to dominant to play with average kids at this age. Its ridiculous, I know, but the casual environment of U7 hockey in Timbits just let kids who are amazing have the puck for an entire game. So there needs to be somewhere to put those kids where at least the parents are going into it KNOWING they are going to be dealing with better kids. Plus the coaches are more dedicated to deal with it

U7 there is no MD for OMHA or GTHL, so having KSL and Timbits are really your two options (outside of the other rogue leagues, which are fine but for simplicity I will just lump them together with KSL) This immediately takes the best kids and takes them out of the system. Because its either play timbits with kids that do ice angles mid game or play real hockey. Easy decision likely.

By U8 you've got MD in most centers so, the players you've somehow retained in the home centers now have a choice again after the vast majority of the best ones left at U7. U8MD with half ice, no scores being kept, no rules, and small nets. Or real hockey. This is where last year you had some people who were totally against the rogue leagues and stayed in their home centre and were either bitter or just passive aggressive about KSL. Or you had some that stayed in their home centre because of the threat of being banned from hockey Canada. So, only some took the leap of faith as the guinea pigs and it ended up going really well for them. Now that people aren't afraid of a ban, the door has been pushed open and the tryouts were insane. Huge numbers of kids. Going forward if you weren't on the U7 KSL team, it will be difficult to get onto a U8 KSL team since they are likely to carry that roster forward.

U9 is when players start trying to figure out their best path to AAA hockey. Typically you want to play for a coach who will have a AAA team if you can. So, even though this is players last year of KSL they will likely have a small chance to go back to a home center if the coach of where they want to play AAA is there. However, it seems like almost every AAA centre is being given to a KSL coach. So, it seems like for the time being it will be sticking with KSL in most cases where they probably think its smarter to develop for full ice U10AAA.


In order for OMHA, GTHL to get their players back, they need to do MORE than just go to full ice. They need U7MD programing (and even still this might not be good enough since a lot of KSL teams are doing "development years" as year as U5 in some cases.

They need to go to Full Ice for MD and up (keep select as half ice)
they need to stop with the WOKE ideas of not keeping score to protect feelings
teach kids the rules of the game
full size nets U7 and up.

Now all of a sudden, you product is the same as KSL, the only difference is the extra travel in OMHA and potentially terrible match making. But again, you could do an A and B or T1 / T2 for MD just like KSL to help.

Parents will have an abundance of options:

U5/U6 - Timbits or Development through a non-OMHA team
U7 - Timbits
U7 - Select (Half ice)
U7 - MD or KSL (Full ice)
U8 - Timbits
U8 - Select (Half ice)
U8 - MD or KSL (Full ice)
U9 - Timbits
U9 - Select (Full Ice)
U9 - MD or KSL (Full ice)

After 2 or 3 years, the home centres will retain more of their talent and it will probably even itself out.

Re: OMHA u9 AAA full ice

by Guest » Sat May 04, 2024 6:15 am

Guest wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 11:21 pm
Guest wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:28 am
Guest wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:09 am
Guest wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 8:58 pm How true is it that OMHA will be bringing back U9AAA full ice next year?
I haven't heard anything personally. It would be smart if they did - but I think they are truly too stubborn to do it.

Don't they already move to full ice mid season?
IMO if they bump everything up earlier one year Klevr is dead. If they don’t do it this year then Klevr takes over everything high level up until U9. Once entrenched they will expand to older age groups and will succeed.

Hockey Canada needs to wake up because they’ve already lost BC and Alberta to these rogue leagues and risk losing Ontario and Quebec now too.

At some point you need to listen to your clients or risk losing them to someone that will provide what their seeking.
Half ice isn’t as bad as people make it out to be. Maybe it should end in u8 though. Kids get a bit too big after the U8 year. Before u8 it’s golden.
Should end half way thru u8

Re: OMHA u9 AAA full ice

by Guest » Fri May 03, 2024 11:21 pm

Guest wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:28 am
Guest wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:09 am
Guest wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 8:58 pm How true is it that OMHA will be bringing back U9AAA full ice next year?
I haven't heard anything personally. It would be smart if they did - but I think they are truly too stubborn to do it.

Don't they already move to full ice mid season?
IMO if they bump everything up earlier one year Klevr is dead. If they don’t do it this year then Klevr takes over everything high level up until U9. Once entrenched they will expand to older age groups and will succeed.

Hockey Canada needs to wake up because they’ve already lost BC and Alberta to these rogue leagues and risk losing Ontario and Quebec now too.

At some point you need to listen to your clients or risk losing them to someone that will provide what their seeking.
Half ice isn’t as bad as people make it out to be. Maybe it should end in u8 though. Kids get a bit too big after the U8 year. Before u8 it’s golden.

Re: OMHA u9 AAA full ice

by Guest » Fri May 03, 2024 8:40 am

Guest wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 6:30 am
Guest wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 8:49 am
Guest wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 8:35 am
Guest wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 10:23 pm
Guest wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:28 am
Guest wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:09 am

I haven't heard anything personally. It would be smart if they did - but I think they are truly too stubborn to do it.

Don't they already move to full ice mid season?
IMO if they bump everything up earlier one year Klevr is dead. If they don’t do it this year then Klevr takes over everything high level up until U9. Once entrenched they will expand to older age groups and will succeed.

Hockey Canada needs to wake up because they’ve already lost BC and Alberta to these rogue leagues and risk losing Ontario and Quebec now too.

At some point you need to listen to your clients or risk losing them to someone that will provide what their seeking.
Moving u9 to full ice is in talks. But honestly parents need to chill. Full ice isn’t the end all be all. A development plans and coaching can take the kids a long way at this age. Relax everyone. Little jimmy can still make the NHL if he plays half ice hockey for a couple extra months.
While it may be logical to assume few months don’t do much but here’s the difference. Early success means you get into better teams which leads to more ice time and quality repetitions. For an average case ( outlier excluded) this provides a significant advantage to continue to stay ahead. Lot of kids who play KSL or top tier spring teams have played full ice more and they blow by the half ice kids in game - both in terms of skill and speed. N early success can lead to getting onto a top tier team.
100% agreed.

AAA OMHA tryouts proved this, once again, this year. We went to one as an under ager to see the level of play. Not with any real intention of making it. And we have friends with kids at other tryouts, and then just seeing the results on Instagram being posted by teams.

You can go to some other threads on his site to get more details, but the long and short of it is MD produced almost zero AAA players between:

WW, A/P, NS, COW, YSE, QRD, HS, BC

KSL and other "full ice programs" produced almost every single kid that will play AAA next year.

That DOESN'T mean that KSL is solely responsible for producing these kids. But, it clearly is correlated. Be it that they are legit better, or just better prepared, or the best kids happened to migrate, or a lot of the coaches are from KSL previously or there are just biases to ASSUME full ice kids are better?

But in this year of kids that made it to AAA thats what happened. We all know, once you are on a AAA team, its a lot easier to stay on a AAA team. That doesn't mean you will, but typically, unless there is a clear 100% upgrade coaches will ride with more or less the same kids year after year.
It was more the strength of competition rather than full ice hockey that made the KSL so good for us. If there was as U9 AAA then the teams with a huge area like COW or QRD would have their kids together earlier instead of dominating small centres in MD. Practicing and playing against the best makes you better.
Can't agree more.

These better MD centres where they have some skill and talent - they are just blowing out other centres - who is learning from this? They aren't.

KSL puts teams together that should be together. Are there still blow outs? sure. But there are a lot more 3-2, 5-2 games then 15-0 or 26-0 Which is quite common (even though no one is keeping score)

Re: OMHA u9 AAA full ice

by Guest » Fri May 03, 2024 6:30 am

Guest wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 8:49 am
Guest wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 8:35 am
Guest wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 10:23 pm
Guest wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:28 am
Guest wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:09 am
Guest wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 8:58 pm How true is it that OMHA will be bringing back U9AAA full ice next year?
I haven't heard anything personally. It would be smart if they did - but I think they are truly too stubborn to do it.

Don't they already move to full ice mid season?
IMO if they bump everything up earlier one year Klevr is dead. If they don’t do it this year then Klevr takes over everything high level up until U9. Once entrenched they will expand to older age groups and will succeed.

Hockey Canada needs to wake up because they’ve already lost BC and Alberta to these rogue leagues and risk losing Ontario and Quebec now too.

At some point you need to listen to your clients or risk losing them to someone that will provide what their seeking.
Moving u9 to full ice is in talks. But honestly parents need to chill. Full ice isn’t the end all be all. A development plans and coaching can take the kids a long way at this age. Relax everyone. Little jimmy can still make the NHL if he plays half ice hockey for a couple extra months.
While it may be logical to assume few months don’t do much but here’s the difference. Early success means you get into better teams which leads to more ice time and quality repetitions. For an average case ( outlier excluded) this provides a significant advantage to continue to stay ahead. Lot of kids who play KSL or top tier spring teams have played full ice more and they blow by the half ice kids in game - both in terms of skill and speed. N early success can lead to getting onto a top tier team.
100% agreed.

AAA OMHA tryouts proved this, once again, this year. We went to one as an under ager to see the level of play. Not with any real intention of making it. And we have friends with kids at other tryouts, and then just seeing the results on Instagram being posted by teams.

You can go to some other threads on his site to get more details, but the long and short of it is MD produced almost zero AAA players between:

WW, A/P, NS, COW, YSE, QRD, HS, BC

KSL and other "full ice programs" produced almost every single kid that will play AAA next year.

That DOESN'T mean that KSL is solely responsible for producing these kids. But, it clearly is correlated. Be it that they are legit better, or just better prepared, or the best kids happened to migrate, or a lot of the coaches are from KSL previously or there are just biases to ASSUME full ice kids are better?

But in this year of kids that made it to AAA thats what happened. We all know, once you are on a AAA team, its a lot easier to stay on a AAA team. That doesn't mean you will, but typically, unless there is a clear 100% upgrade coaches will ride with more or less the same kids year after year.
It was more the strength of competition rather than full ice hockey that made the KSL so good for us. If there was as U9 AAA then the teams with a huge area like COW or QRD would have their kids together earlier instead of dominating small centres in MD. Practicing and playing against the best makes you better.

Re: OMHA u9 AAA full ice

by Guest » Thu May 02, 2024 8:49 am

Guest wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 8:35 am
Guest wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 10:23 pm
Guest wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:28 am
Guest wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:09 am
Guest wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 8:58 pm How true is it that OMHA will be bringing back U9AAA full ice next year?
I haven't heard anything personally. It would be smart if they did - but I think they are truly too stubborn to do it.

Don't they already move to full ice mid season?
IMO if they bump everything up earlier one year Klevr is dead. If they don’t do it this year then Klevr takes over everything high level up until U9. Once entrenched they will expand to older age groups and will succeed.

Hockey Canada needs to wake up because they’ve already lost BC and Alberta to these rogue leagues and risk losing Ontario and Quebec now too.

At some point you need to listen to your clients or risk losing them to someone that will provide what their seeking.
Moving u9 to full ice is in talks. But honestly parents need to chill. Full ice isn’t the end all be all. A development plans and coaching can take the kids a long way at this age. Relax everyone. Little jimmy can still make the NHL if he plays half ice hockey for a couple extra months.
While it may be logical to assume few months don’t do much but here’s the difference. Early success means you get into better teams which leads to more ice time and quality repetitions. For an average case ( outlier excluded) this provides a significant advantage to continue to stay ahead. Lot of kids who play KSL or top tier spring teams have played full ice more and they blow by the half ice kids in game - both in terms of skill and speed. N early success can lead to getting onto a top tier team.
100% agreed.

AAA OMHA tryouts proved this, once again, this year. We went to one as an under ager to see the level of play. Not with any real intention of making it. And we have friends with kids at other tryouts, and then just seeing the results on Instagram being posted by teams.

You can go to some other threads on his site to get more details, but the long and short of it is MD produced almost zero AAA players between:

WW, A/P, NS, COW, YSE, QRD, HS, BC

KSL and other "full ice programs" produced almost every single kid that will play AAA next year.

That DOESN'T mean that KSL is solely responsible for producing these kids. But, it clearly is correlated. Be it that they are legit better, or just better prepared, or the best kids happened to migrate, or a lot of the coaches are from KSL previously or there are just biases to ASSUME full ice kids are better?

But in this year of kids that made it to AAA thats what happened. We all know, once you are on a AAA team, its a lot easier to stay on a AAA team. That doesn't mean you will, but typically, unless there is a clear 100% upgrade coaches will ride with more or less the same kids year after year.

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