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Guest wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:41 pm

You need to do research, only 1/2 GTHL players from GTHL, if that is case then we should have 6 teams

Maybe, who knows, you certainly don't. Please do provide the link to where you have the home addresses of ALL the players in the GTHL. Do some make it in from outside sure. So some move there from where ever, sure. 1/2 the league.....I have a bridge to sell ya.

Even if what you said were true, that means that their talent pool is even BIGGER than a population already 5 times that of Ottawa. We should have even LESS teams. But somehow you get 6! Show us your research

You love the population facts eh? I guess India should then have 55 AAA teams at each age group.

Meh, numbers seem to offend you.

How anyone can justify 5 is beyond me. Better yet you won't even try

Nobody really has to, because nobody seems to care as much as you do. Most people also realize that good players are going to go where they go, no matter what. Excuses like "watered down" are just that, excuses.

Seems like a ton of people cared, rhe HEO BOG changes the entire league!! Why? Wasn't the reasoning behind the change that the league was too "watered down," and that they needed more exposure?!?! But hey, I guess it's just me that cares right!?!

The reason for the change was control. HEO wanted more control over the CCHL run U18 league and the CCHL wanted zero interference from HEO.
Was the control over money? Player development? No one really knows.
HEO and the CCHL could not reach any kind of agreement on how the CCHL U18 league could run going forward so the HEO BOD exercised its right and took minor hockey away from the CCHL.
The easiest solution was to go to the 5 AAA associations and ask them for their plan to run U18 AAA in the HEO area. They worked out a deal/plan that worked for both parties.
Does it work for the greatest number of players. Time will tell.
All compromises are imperfect.
We had 8 years of CCHL U18. Lets see if HEO and the AAA associations can improve enough to keep most of the HEO area players playing in the HEO area. Player/parents will always leave for greener pasture but the goal should be to slow down the running away to greener pastures to a trickle instead of the flood we have had lately.

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:56 am

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 5:52 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:32 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:26 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:17 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:19 pm

Maybe, who knows, you certainly don't. Please do provide the link to where you have the home addresses of ALL the players in the GTHL. Do some make it in from outside sure. So some move there from where ever, sure. 1/2 the league.....I have a bridge to sell ya.

Even if what you said were true, that means that their talent pool is even BIGGER than a population already 5 times that of Ottawa. We should have even LESS teams. But somehow you get 6! Show us your research

You love the population facts eh? I guess India should then have 55 AAA teams at each age group.

Meh, numbers seem to offend you.

How anyone can justify 5 is beyond me. Better yet you won't even try

Nobody really has to, because nobody seems to care as much as you do. Most people also realize that good players are going to go where they go, no matter what. Excuses like "watered down" are just that, excuses.

Seems like a ton of people cared, rhe HEO BOG changes the entire league!! Why? Wasn't the reasoning behind the change that the league was too "watered down," and that they needed more exposure?!?! But hey, I guess it's just me that cares right!?!

The reason for the change was control. HEO wanted more control over the CCHL run U18 league and the CCHL wanted zero interference from HEO.
Was the control over money? Player development? No one really knows.
HEO and the CCHL could not reach any kind of agreement on how the CCHL U18 league could run going forward so the HEO BOD exercised its right and took minor hockey away from the CCHL.
The easiest solution was to go to the 5 AAA associations and ask them for their plan to run U18 AAA in the HEO area. They worked out a deal/plan that worked for both parties.
Does it work for the greatest number of players. Time will tell.
All compromises are imperfect.
We had 8 years of CCHL U18. Lets see if HEO and the AAA associations can improve enough to keep most of the HEO area players playing in the HEO area. Player/parents will always leave for greener pasture but the goal should be to slow down the running away to greener pastures to a trickle instead of the flood we have had lately.

Some of that is true, and it's most likely the talking points HEO officially puts out, but the change was done to benefit the U16AAA age group. Period. They had no idea of how to run U18AAA. Now ot's a mess and people will not participate.

If the crazy dads want a "less watered down" version, 2 teams is the way to go. It makes sense at every angle that is important to them.

Point out what parts of an HEO 2 team system don't make sense

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:56 am

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 5:52 am

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:32 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:26 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:17 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:19 pm

Maybe, who knows, you certainly don't. Please do provide the link to where you have the home addresses of ALL the players in the GTHL. Do some make it in from outside sure. So some move there from where ever, sure. 1/2 the league.....I have a bridge to sell ya.

Even if what you said were true, that means that their talent pool is even BIGGER than a population already 5 times that of Ottawa. We should have even LESS teams. But somehow you get 6! Show us your research

You love the population facts eh? I guess India should then have 55 AAA teams at each age group.

Meh, numbers seem to offend you.

How anyone can justify 5 is beyond me. Better yet you won't even try

Nobody really has to, because nobody seems to care as much as you do. Most people also realize that good players are going to go where they go, no matter what. Excuses like "watered down" are just that, excuses.

Seems like a ton of people cared, rhe HEO BOG changes the entire league!! Why? Wasn't the reasoning behind the change that the league was too "watered down," and that they needed more exposure?!?! But hey, I guess it's just me that cares right!?!

The reason for the change was control. HEO wanted more control over the CCHL run U18 league and the CCHL wanted zero interference from HEO.
Was the control over money? Player development? No one really knows.
HEO and the CCHL could not reach any kind of agreement on how the CCHL U18 league could run going forward so the HEO BOD exercised its right and took minor hockey away from the CCHL.
The easiest solution was to go to the 5 AAA associations and ask them for their plan to run U18 AAA in the HEO area. They worked out a deal/plan that worked for both parties.
Does it work for the greatest number of players. Time will tell.
All compromises are imperfect.
We had 8 years of CCHL U18. Lets see if HEO and the AAA associations can improve enough to keep most of the HEO area players playing in the HEO area. Player/parents will always leave for greener pasture but the goal should be to slow down the running away to greener pastures to a trickle instead of the flood we have had lately.

The amount of "fleers" each year was only dependant on the strength of the age group. Strong players generally stayed because they weren't scared against playing against older players. Players that have been living in a legacy bubble situation and weren't confident in their ability to maintain that level against older players, would often try and find another similar situation somewhere else to keep the gravy train going. TLDR; the [astures aren't "greener", they're "easier"

Heard 67s had less than 15 players at u18 open house and Titans less than 20. Neither had many returning players. Still have not heard if Cyclones have a coach. This is looking worse by the day.

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:27 pm Heard 67s had less than 15 players at u18 open house and Titans less than 20. Neither had many returning players. Still have not heard if Cyclones have a coach. This is looking worse by the day.

KABOOM goes legacy AAA!!!!!

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Guest wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:27 pm Heard 67s had less than 15 players at u18 open house and Titans less than 20. Neither had many returning players. Still have not heard if Cyclones have a coach. This is looking worse by the day.

KABOOM goes legacy AAA!!!!!

Maybe the Adolf above who thinks there should only be two teams to avoid "watering down" will get his wish and then some. Zero teams, that is pretty exclusive. No weak players

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Guest wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:30 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:27 pm Heard 67s had less than 15 players at u18 open house and Titans less than 20. Neither had many returning players. Still have not heard if Cyclones have a coach. This is looking worse by the day.

KABOOM goes legacy AAA!!!!!

Maybe the Adolf above who thinks there should only be two teams to avoid "watering down" will get his wish and then some. Zero teams, that is pretty exclusive. No weak players

Ahhh the insecure reveals himself! Yup we can all make the connection comparing Nazis to wanting elite hockey and auer development! Am I racist too?!?

Why not 2? You can't even articulate an argument against.

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Guest wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:47 am

Are you saying you liked the CCHL league?

Yes, the team my son played on ran a much better than his previous AAA teams, variety of competition was great!!

You claim the team your son played on was much better run then previous AAA teams. Were those teams run poorly or were they ran well but your cchl experience was just better? As for variety of competition - A HEO u18 club will not only play the same 4 teams, but many other teams from across Ontario that are legit good U18 organizations.
Also...if your kid is planning to tryout are you sure he will make it? 4 lines down to 3. Half as many teams and all former legit AAA players....approx 130+ kids are gonna be out of a job with all those teams eliminated so spots are gonna be tight come tryout time.

Who knows. Might be a wicked good situation.

Legit AAA players?!?!?!

First Ottawa can only support a MAX of 2 AAA teams per age group.

Second, if you are still playing AAA in U18AAA, you're no longer a "legit" AAA player. The dream is over.

The CCHL U18 league had 12 teams. 10 teams to many IYO. Why do so many parents think the CCHL U18 league was good? Will a reduction of 7 teams not be a good thing for the quality of hockey at the U18 age group and therefore the development of the players.

Why stop at a reduction of only 7 teams?? What 's your logic?

Isn't 2 teams a higher concentration of talent? Isn't that the goal of legacy AAA, to stop rhe league from being watered down?

If we compare ourselves to the GTHL who have 12 teams, if we have more than 3 our teams will be watered down.

Yhetr will NEVER be more than 2 teams worth of HEO players who move on to Jr. A, or Major Jr. Hockey. Having more than 2 AAA teams doesn't make sense.

What points are wrong?

Only Two U18 teams
1 How many times would they play each other during the year?
2 How many tournaments would they go to? More you attend drives up cost.
3 Depending on tournaments and game schedule each team might need a full-time paid coach. Drives up cost.

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Guest wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:04 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:32 am

Guest wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 10:51 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:20 pm

Guest wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:33 pm

Yes, the team my son played on ran a much better than his previous AAA teams, variety of competition was great!!

You claim the team your son played on was much better run then previous AAA teams. Were those teams run poorly or were they ran well but your cchl experience was just better? As for variety of competition - A HEO u18 club will not only play the same 4 teams, but many other teams from across Ontario that are legit good U18 organizations.
Also...if your kid is planning to tryout are you sure he will make it? 4 lines down to 3. Half as many teams and all former legit AAA players....approx 130+ kids are gonna be out of a job with all those teams eliminated so spots are gonna be tight come tryout time.

Who knows. Might be a wicked good situation.

Legit AAA players?!?!?!

First Ottawa can only support a MAX of 2 AAA teams per age group.

Second, if you are still playing AAA in U18AAA, you're no longer a "legit" AAA player. The dream is over.

The CCHL U18 league had 12 teams. 10 teams to many IYO. Why do so many parents think the CCHL U18 league was good? Will a reduction of 7 teams not be a good thing for the quality of hockey at the U18 age group and therefore the development of the players.

Why stop at a reduction of only 7 teams?? What 's your logic?

Isn't 2 teams a higher concentration of talent? Isn't that the goal of legacy AAA, to stop rhe league from being watered down?

If we compare ourselves to the GTHL who have 12 teams, if we have more than 3 our teams will be watered down.

Yhetr will NEVER be more than 2 teams worth of HEO players who move on to Jr. A, or Major Jr. Hockey. Having more than 2 AAA teams doesn't make sense.

What points are wrong?

Only Two U18 teams
1 How many times would they play each other during the year?
2 How many tournaments would they go to? More you attend drives up cost.
3 Depending on tournaments and game schedule each team might need a full-time paid coach. Drives up cost.

Nope I'm talking 2 teams for ALL of AAA age groups, it's far too watered down! Players get worse by practicing against, and whine with lower caliber players.

They could have some exhibition games against each other, but the majority of their games would be tournaments.

They would have to attend 7-10 tournaments a year. They would get to practice more. I see no comprehension of player development here. What about practice to game ratio? Should be at least 3-1, we don't get anywhere near that. Many teams go to almost as many tournaments already AND play 30 league games. How about getting more skating and skills, more meaningful workouts-at least 3 days a week, not the waste if time once a week they do now.

There is LOTS to do each week instead of travelling to useless league games all across the city, getting there 1.5 hrs befire games etc. Waste of time.

Now this is for people seeking out the truly elite, no AA mentality parents/players.

Costs would be cheaper and less weekly travel.

Players would get better, have better hockey/school/home life balance, competition would be much higher and exposure would be massive.

Or you stick with you watered down AA mentality.

U18AAA is dead