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The CCHL had 8 years to develop U6,U17 and U18 players and they failed. The number of HEO players in the CCHL dropped by 20% under the CCHL development pathway. Get your facts straight.

The HEO doesn't develop players, it's HEO's job. Player development needs to happen LONG before a player ever gets to be available to the CCHL. LONG BEFORE. HEO has them for 9-12 years "before" the CCHL. It's in that time frame that player development occurs. If a player can't skate well enough, handle the puck well enough, shoot well enough, etc. that's not on the CCHL it's on HEO-all day long.

If we are talking about 2006 players that got drafted in the O at the priority draft and are playing in the CCHL OJS has one Nepean has one and CP has one. The players who were drafted and that could play in the CCHL but decided to leave and not to play in the CCHL Renfrew has two, OJS has one, Navan has one, Kemptville has two, Nepean has two and Brockville has one. Four of those players have commitments and decide to develop elsewhere. The rest are signed in the O and are either playing or playing on the affiliated teams. I could be missing a few but all those players were develop by HEO. To recap three have stayed and nine have left. That's on the CCHL pushing local players away and not trying to attract them to stay. But I'm sure you will argue that none of this is true and just fabrication

Give initials or player numbers.

Why won't you address your 20% claim?!?!?! BS right.

I already know I'm right.

You "may" have players who went elsewhere, so what. You don't know why. What we do know is, they weren't good enough for the CCHL.

Also, some commitments, like RW who had left, if you believe it was based in merit, I have a bridge to sell you. Same with AS.

If you know so much about hockey and the story behind all the players I'm sure you can figure this task out. For those committed you just have to look at the commitment site to see who is going where again not hard to figure out.
You also need some education on who and why players get committed, must be because you have not been through the process oh yeah right I remember lots of ppl are looking at your kid lol

Not good enough for the CCHL you make me laught some of them are playing at a better level.not sure why some try to reason with this dad he's bitter and frustrated

Which "better" level are you referring to?

Or do you just like to be mysterious.

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Prove any of that!!! Ahahaha

HEO fail3s to develop the players to be good enough to make a CCHL team.

The CCHL had 8 years to develop U6,U17 and U18 players and they failed. The number of HEO players in the CCHL dropped by 20% under the CCHL development pathway. Get your facts straight.

The HEO doesn't develop players, it's HEO's job. Player development needs to happen LONG before a player ever gets to be available to the CCHL. LONG BEFORE. HEO has them for 9-12 years "before" the CCHL. It's in that time frame that player development occurs. If a player can't skate well enough, handle the puck well enough, shoot well enough, etc. that's not on the CCHL it's on HEO-all day long.

If we are talking about 2006 players that got drafted in the O at the priority draft and are playing in the CCHL OJS has one Nepean has one and CP has one. The players who were drafted and that could play in the CCHL but decided to leave and not to play in the CCHL Renfrew has two, OJS has one, Navan has one, Kemptville has two, Nepean has two and Brockville has one. Four of those players have commitments and decide to develop elsewhere. The rest are signed in the O and are either playing or playing on the affiliated teams. I could be missing a few but all those players were develop by HEO. To recap three have stayed and nine have left. That's on the CCHL pushing local players away and not trying to attract them to stay. But I'm sure you will argue that none of this is true and just fabrication

Give initials or player numbers.

Why won't you address your 20% claim?!?!?! BS right.

I already know I'm right.

You "may" have players who went elsewhere, so what. You don't know why. What we do know is, they weren't good enough for the CCHL.

Also, some commitments, like RW who had left, if you believe it was based in merit, I have a bridge to sell you. Same with AS.

If you know so much about hockey and the story behind all the players I'm sure you can figure this task out. For those committed you just have to look at the commitment site to see who is going where again not hard to figure out.
You also need some education on who and why players get committed, must be because you have not been through the process oh yeah right I remember lots of ppl are looking at your kid lol

Just look at the commitment list?!!? Lol bit you are educated on how this works!!??!? Ok sweetheart you keep showing yoir cards about how little you know.

You are on the outside looking in. That's a good spot for you.

HRO hasn't developed nearly enough players. Oh, sorry, I will correct myself, they don't develop players at all. That comes from private sources of development. HEO is so bad, many players are leaving 2-3 years BEFORE they are even eligible for any drafts.


Hmmmm, why is that. It's not in the CCHL realm yet, but know nothings like you still want to make that excuse. The reason why you are throwing a tantrum is because your kid isn't good enough for the CCHL! Ironically you so DESPERATELY want to be part of the CCHL, and because you can't make the cut, you rage against them.

YOU are the problem and the failure. Just accept it, it's easier that way.

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Exactly. A bunch of Americans showed up at the end of training camps. Never played a game and unseated signed players (some who were signed back in April ). Check the standings and you will see the bottom feeders will be no surprises. Money over hockey. A lot of kids (local ones - Ottawa-Montreal corridor) got screwed

As a 2006 parent what surprises me is that all the 2006 that were drafted in the O only two (could be wrong) are playing in the CCHL. The others are either playing in the 0 and the others that are committed have gone to develop elsewhere. Big missed opportunity from the CCHL to develop those that have decided to leave.

How does it compare to the 2005 and 2004 group from HEO?

It is clear the CCHL could care less about HEO players. And they (half the teams) don't have the tools for proper development....good coaches. Kids/advisors know that and stay away

Prove any of that!!! Ahahaha

HEO fail3s to develop the players to be good enough to make a CCHL team.

The CCHL had 8 years to develop U6,U17 and U18 players and they failed. The number of HEO players in the CCHL dropped by 20% under the CCHL development pathway. Get your facts straight.

Players have waaaaaaay more options of where to pay these days than they did 10 years ago, that's the main reason why there may be fewer local players in the CCHL now vs then. Speaking about getting your facts straight lol

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The CCHL had 8 years to develop U6,U17 and U18 players and they failed. The number of HEO players in the CCHL dropped by 20% under the CCHL development pathway. Get your facts straight.

The HEO doesn't develop players, it's HEO's job. Player development needs to happen LONG before a player ever gets to be available to the CCHL. LONG BEFORE. HEO has them for 9-12 years "before" the CCHL. It's in that time frame that player development occurs. If a player can't skate well enough, handle the puck well enough, shoot well enough, etc. that's not on the CCHL it's on HEO-all day long.

If we are talking about 2006 players that got drafted in the O at the priority draft and are playing in the CCHL OJS has one Nepean has one and CP has one. The players who were drafted and that could play in the CCHL but decided to leave and not to play in the CCHL Renfrew has two, OJS has one, Navan has one, Kemptville has two, Nepean has two and Brockville has one. Four of those players have commitments and decide to develop elsewhere. The rest are signed in the O and are either playing or playing on the affiliated teams. I could be missing a few but all those players were develop by HEO. To recap three have stayed and nine have left. That's on the CCHL pushing local players away and not trying to attract them to stay. But I'm sure you will argue that none of this is true and just fabrication

Give initials or player numbers.

Why won't you address your 20% claim?!?!?! BS right.

I already know I'm right.

You "may" have players who went elsewhere, so what. You don't know why. What we do know is, they weren't good enough for the CCHL.

Also, some commitments, like RW who had left, if you believe it was based in merit, I have a bridge to sell you. Same with AS.

If you know so much about hockey and the story behind all the players I'm sure you can figure this task out. For those committed you just have to look at the commitment site to see who is going where again not hard to figure out.
You also need some education on who and why players get committed, must be because you have not been through the process oh yeah right I remember lots of ppl are looking at your kid lol

Just look at the commitment list?!!? Lol bit you are educated on how this works!!??!? Ok sweetheart you keep showing yoir cards about how little you know.

You are on the outside looking in. That's a good spot for you.

HRO hasn't developed nearly enough players. Oh, sorry, I will correct myself, they don't develop players at all. That comes from private sources of development. HEO is so bad, many players are leaving 2-3 years BEFORE they are even eligible for any drafts.


Hmmmm, why is that. It's not in the CCHL realm yet, but know nothings like you still want to make that excuse. The reason why you are throwing a tantrum is because your kid isn't good enough for the CCHL! Ironically you so DESPERATELY want to be part of the CCHL, and because you can't make the cut, you rage against them.

YOU are the problem and the failure. Just accept it, it's easier that way.

You keep going wannabe important dad. HEO did what it was mandated to do, it's up to parents to do the extra if they want to. I have nothing against CCHL but better options are out there. BTW I'm on the inside you just can't see me since you are so far outside chump.

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The HEO doesn't develop players, it's HEO's job. Player development needs to happen LONG before a player ever gets to be available to the CCHL. LONG BEFORE. HEO has them for 9-12 years "before" the CCHL. It's in that time frame that player development occurs. If a player can't skate well enough, handle the puck well enough, shoot well enough, etc. that's not on the CCHL it's on HEO-all day long.

If we are talking about 2006 players that got drafted in the O at the priority draft and are playing in the CCHL OJS has one Nepean has one and CP has one. The players who were drafted and that could play in the CCHL but decided to leave and not to play in the CCHL Renfrew has two, OJS has one, Navan has one, Kemptville has two, Nepean has two and Brockville has one. Four of those players have commitments and decide to develop elsewhere. The rest are signed in the O and are either playing or playing on the affiliated teams. I could be missing a few but all those players were develop by HEO. To recap three have stayed and nine have left. That's on the CCHL pushing local players away and not trying to attract them to stay. But I'm sure you will argue that none of this is true and just fabrication

Give initials or player numbers.

Why won't you address your 20% claim?!?!?! BS right.

I already know I'm right.

You "may" have players who went elsewhere, so what. You don't know why. What we do know is, they weren't good enough for the CCHL.

Also, some commitments, like RW who had left, if you believe it was based in merit, I have a bridge to sell you. Same with AS.

If you know so much about hockey and the story behind all the players I'm sure you can figure this task out. For those committed you just have to look at the commitment site to see who is going where again not hard to figure out.
You also need some education on who and why players get committed, must be because you have not been through the process oh yeah right I remember lots of ppl are looking at your kid lol

Just look at the commitment list?!!? Lol bit you are educated on how this works!!??!? Ok sweetheart you keep showing yoir cards about how little you know.

You are on the outside looking in. That's a good spot for you.

HRO hasn't developed nearly enough players. Oh, sorry, I will correct myself, they don't develop players at all. That comes from private sources of development. HEO is so bad, many players are leaving 2-3 years BEFORE they are even eligible for any drafts.


Hmmmm, why is that. It's not in the CCHL realm yet, but know nothings like you still want to make that excuse. The reason why you are throwing a tantrum is because your kid isn't good enough for the CCHL! Ironically you so DESPERATELY want to be part of the CCHL, and because you can't make the cut, you rage against them.

YOU are the problem and the failure. Just accept it, it's easier that way.

You keep going wannabe important dad. HEO did what it was mandated to do, it's up to parents to do the extra if they want to. I have nothing against CCHL but better options are out there. BTW I'm on the inside you just can't see me since you are so far outside chump.

Sure you are!! Ahahahahahahaha

You're an excuse boy

Enjoy the loser club sweetheart

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If we are talking about 2006 players that got drafted in the O at the priority draft and are playing in the CCHL OJS has one Nepean has one and CP has one. The players who were drafted and that could play in the CCHL but decided to leave and not to play in the CCHL Renfrew has two, OJS has one, Navan has one, Kemptville has two, Nepean has two and Brockville has one. Four of those players have commitments and decide to develop elsewhere. The rest are signed in the O and are either playing or playing on the affiliated teams. I could be missing a few but all those players were develop by HEO. To recap three have stayed and nine have left. That's on the CCHL pushing local players away and not trying to attract them to stay. But I'm sure you will argue that none of this is true and just fabrication

Give initials or player numbers.

Why won't you address your 20% claim?!?!?! BS right.

I already know I'm right.

You "may" have players who went elsewhere, so what. You don't know why. What we do know is, they weren't good enough for the CCHL.

Also, some commitments, like RW who had left, if you believe it was based in merit, I have a bridge to sell you. Same with AS.

If you know so much about hockey and the story behind all the players I'm sure you can figure this task out. For those committed you just have to look at the commitment site to see who is going where again not hard to figure out.
You also need some education on who and why players get committed, must be because you have not been through the process oh yeah right I remember lots of ppl are looking at your kid lol

Just look at the commitment list?!!? Lol bit you are educated on how this works!!??!? Ok sweetheart you keep showing yoir cards about how little you know.

You are on the outside looking in. That's a good spot for you.

HRO hasn't developed nearly enough players. Oh, sorry, I will correct myself, they don't develop players at all. That comes from private sources of development. HEO is so bad, many players are leaving 2-3 years BEFORE they are even eligible for any drafts.


Hmmmm, why is that. It's not in the CCHL realm yet, but know nothings like you still want to make that excuse. The reason why you are throwing a tantrum is because your kid isn't good enough for the CCHL! Ironically you so DESPERATELY want to be part of the CCHL, and because you can't make the cut, you rage against them.

YOU are the problem and the failure. Just accept it, it's easier that way.

You keep going wannabe important dad. HEO did what it was mandated to do, it's up to parents to do the extra if they want to. I have nothing against CCHL but better options are out there. BTW I'm on the inside you just can't see me since you are so far outside chump.

Sure you are!! Ahahahahahahaha

You're an excuse boy

Enjoy the loser club sweetheart

Hey are they still looking at your kid that's not even on a tier 2 team funny delusional dad you are. Winner's win and losers well that's you.

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Give initials or player numbers.

Why won't you address your 20% claim?!?!?! BS right.

I already know I'm right.

You "may" have players who went elsewhere, so what. You don't know why. What we do know is, they weren't good enough for the CCHL.

Also, some commitments, like RW who had left, if you believe it was based in merit, I have a bridge to sell you. Same with AS.

If you know so much about hockey and the story behind all the players I'm sure you can figure this task out. For those committed you just have to look at the commitment site to see who is going where again not hard to figure out.
You also need some education on who and why players get committed, must be because you have not been through the process oh yeah right I remember lots of ppl are looking at your kid lol

Just look at the commitment list?!!? Lol bit you are educated on how this works!!??!? Ok sweetheart you keep showing yoir cards about how little you know.

You are on the outside looking in. That's a good spot for you.

HRO hasn't developed nearly enough players. Oh, sorry, I will correct myself, they don't develop players at all. That comes from private sources of development. HEO is so bad, many players are leaving 2-3 years BEFORE they are even eligible for any drafts.


Hmmmm, why is that. It's not in the CCHL realm yet, but know nothings like you still want to make that excuse. The reason why you are throwing a tantrum is because your kid isn't good enough for the CCHL! Ironically you so DESPERATELY want to be part of the CCHL, and because you can't make the cut, you rage against them.

YOU are the problem and the failure. Just accept it, it's easier that way.

You keep going wannabe important dad. HEO did what it was mandated to do, it's up to parents to do the extra if they want to. I have nothing against CCHL but better options are out there. BTW I'm on the inside you just can't see me since you are so far outside chump.

Sure you are!! Ahahahahahahaha

You're an excuse boy

Enjoy the loser club sweetheart

Hey are they still looking at your kid that's not even on a tier 2 team funny delusional dad you are. Winner's win and losers well that's you.

Keep trying sweetheart, it's you who is full of rage. Your failures define you now. Why don't you take yoir little bender to another league?? I know why.

Good luck

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The CCHL had 8 years to develop U6,U17 and U18 players and they failed. The number of HEO players in the CCHL dropped by 20% under the CCHL development pathway. Get your facts straight.

20%.... a number taken out of thin air!!

How many HEO players on Brockville year ONE 1

20%....taken out of thin air

Do not let the facts get in the way of your delusions.

Show me some facts-I'd love to see them.

The only fact we have is that HEO has failed to develop players during the most significant and impactful time in their development process. Too bad we didn't have better leadership to handle this issue at the Branch, league, AAA, AA, team and association levels to properly address this black eye on minor hockey here. The solution is evident, apparent, easily identified, already in place in private options, yet ignored by those in decision making positions in minor hockey in HEO.

It's quite frankly pathetic. Go, use your "alleged" stats to prove literally nothing. You actually prove my point, perhaps I should thank you.

This is what did I for 8 years when the CCHL ran U18.
Using CCHL website and elite hockey website. I looked up every player listed on every CCHL team found out where they played their minor hockey and used that data to come up with the number of HEO players in the CCHL.
The year before CCHL U18 the CCHL had 49% of its players were from the HEO area during the CCHL U18 reign that percentage dropped to 29%. The number of players that left the HEO area to play hockey elsewhere increased every year to a high of about 16 last year (U16 only). That number has dropped to 4 that I am aware of (U16 only) for this year. CCHL U18 is dead. The kids did not leave the HEO area. This is a positive. CCHL is out of minor hockey this a positive.
IMO the CCHL is a good league that needs to increase its the local content, rid itself of some awful money first owners.

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How many HEO players on Brockville year ONE 1

20%....taken out of thin air

Do not let the facts get in the way of your delusions.

Show me some facts-I'd love to see them.

The only fact we have is that HEO has failed to develop players during the most significant and impactful time in their development process. Too bad we didn't have better leadership to handle this issue at the Branch, league, AAA, AA, team and association levels to properly address this black eye on minor hockey here. The solution is evident, apparent, easily identified, already in place in private options, yet ignored by those in decision making positions in minor hockey in HEO.

It's quite frankly pathetic. Go, use your "alleged" stats to prove literally nothing. You actually prove my point, perhaps I should thank you.

Over 50% 0f HEO AAA players will play Major Jr and Jr A. The rest might play Jr B
HEO AAA develops players.

Nope, only 27% make those levels

On average 10 players per birth year make an OHL team another 30 from the same birth year make a CCHL team. that makes 40 out of 85 therefore 47%. I do not count the players that make the Q.or move to other Jr A leagues. I am sure I could find 3 more to make it 50%. If you do not like my facts do the work yourself and prove me wrong.

People within the ecosystem and cult of CCHL are missing the bigger picture. The perception of the CCHL is far less rosy by people that matter: Scouts. I am looking at this from a US College perspective because realistically for the majority that is the end goal.

High end talents are not flocking to the CCHL. The reason is: horrible coaching and development and the fact the core is rotten. Too many horror stories about kids getting screwed over are piling up and the word gets around. Namely that the owners only care about money and won't help a player to the next level unless they get something out of it.

The hockey world has evolved and the US leagues have it right. They bring the game to the scouts. THe EHL is Tier 3 yet, considered better than the CCHL for getting kids to the college level, namely D3. Wonder why????

Scouts want to see kids first hand and will only travel to the CCHl to see targeted players. Showcases put on in the Boston area and games there, are light to the moth! Scouts love that.

The CCHL does a big showcase in Ottawa on Thanksgiving. Big deal. How many schools are going to drive 5-6 hours for that? The CCHl should put on a US hockey showcase and bring the game down to the scouts.

I know the blowback will be that D3 hockey isn't D1? WHo cares? Any parent who honestly thinks their son has a shot at D1 is delusional. It is a long shot. 10 kids at most make D1 from the CCHL. 1 per team at most.

D3 hockey is very good hockey and anyone who doesn't think so, is lost. ACHA club hockey is also growing in quality and esteem south of the border. These are great options for kids wanting to play college hockey.

The horror stories coming out of the CCHL this summer, are only going to dig the hole deeper, Tier3 calbre US players coming in late to buy roster spots, the NAHA failure, Junior B foldings and just plain piss poor treatment of kids. And there are already stories of kids jumping ship on some CCHL teams, realizing the ship (for a couple of clubs) is taking on water.