Canada was behind Sweden and USA hockey in adopting the half ice model and is now the first to try and break away from it. Opinions are rampant - empirical evidence is factual. When you look beyond your little corner of the world to what others are having success with you can learn allot.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 4:56 pmCanada is half ice for the most partGuest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 4:35 pmTo all the "geniuses" and hockey experts opining on the merits of full ice hockey for 6 7 and 8 years olds, ask yourselves a few questions:Guest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:54 am Some of you are so naive, doesn’t matter where you play - talent will rise to the top.
No issue with half ice or full ice options, mine played full ice… but just because you learned what an offside was 2 years earlier and where to lineup on a faceoff isn’t going to change your skill level in the long run. Options are great, and of course kids who played full ice earlier will obviously look better earlier on full ice… there were 2014 teams that played full ice the year before and came out the gate extremely well, and then faded into nothing once the others in the loop figured out their positional play.
Do what’s right for you… and leave it at that…. But athletic kids who are on the ice (no matter what type of play) will rise to the top. That’s just how it is.
Q) What are the 3 top hockey producing nations in the world ?
A) Canada USA Sweden
Q) Is Canada gaining or losing its ground as the top hockey nation?
A) Losing fast
Q) What do the hockey nations gaining ground do with age groups?
A) They play half ice hockey
To all the "experts" stating "facts" and "book it" - these above, are facts not opinions.
You can draw your own conclusion and determine who has it right, and who has it wrong, but the trend is your friend until it bends
the Canadian trend is bent on a downward trajectory
2015 AAA
Re: 2015 AAA
Re: 2015 AAA
the problem with Canada hockey is not half ice/ full ice - its that we have turned it into a politics and money game. The best players aren't the ones representing our country in most cases. Also, the kids are being force fed skill over effort / toughness etc.Guest wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2024 7:07 amCanada was behind Sweden and USA hockey in adopting the half ice model and is now the first to try and break away from it. Opinions are rampant - empirical evidence is factual. When you look beyond your little corner of the world to what others are having success with you can learn allot.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 4:56 pmCanada is half ice for the most partGuest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 4:35 pmTo all the "geniuses" and hockey experts opining on the merits of full ice hockey for 6 7 and 8 years olds, ask yourselves a few questions:Guest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:54 am Some of you are so naive, doesn’t matter where you play - talent will rise to the top.
No issue with half ice or full ice options, mine played full ice… but just because you learned what an offside was 2 years earlier and where to lineup on a faceoff isn’t going to change your skill level in the long run. Options are great, and of course kids who played full ice earlier will obviously look better earlier on full ice… there were 2014 teams that played full ice the year before and came out the gate extremely well, and then faded into nothing once the others in the loop figured out their positional play.
Do what’s right for you… and leave it at that…. But athletic kids who are on the ice (no matter what type of play) will rise to the top. That’s just how it is.
Q) What are the 3 top hockey producing nations in the world ?
A) Canada USA Sweden
Q) Is Canada gaining or losing its ground as the top hockey nation?
A) Losing fast
Q) What do the hockey nations gaining ground do with age groups?
A) They play half ice hockey
To all the "experts" stating "facts" and "book it" - these above, are facts not opinions.
You can draw your own conclusion and determine who has it right, and who has it wrong, but the trend is your friend until it bends
the Canadian trend is bent on a downward trajectory
Canada would win at the highest level because we were super skilled and tough. Now, most of our best players are missing the toughness.
The USA, they are doing things the way we used to - plus have 10:1 people in their country. We just need to get back to playing the way we used to play, and stop being pansy's
Re: 2015 AAA
Sure Gramps. I'd rather have my team filled with McDavid, MacKinnon, Bedard, Makar etc. than have a bunch of balance up and down my line-up. If you recall Canada has won the last few true best on best competitions. Would discount things like WJCs because in so many instances Canada's best players can't play because they are already in the NHL.Guest wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:29 amthe problem with Canada hockey is not half ice/ full ice - its that we have turned it into a politics and money game. The best players aren't the ones representing our country in most cases. Also, the kids are being force fed skill over effort / toughness etc.Guest wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2024 7:07 amCanada was behind Sweden and USA hockey in adopting the half ice model and is now the first to try and break away from it. Opinions are rampant - empirical evidence is factual. When you look beyond your little corner of the world to what others are having success with you can learn allot.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 4:56 pmCanada is half ice for the most partGuest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 4:35 pmTo all the "geniuses" and hockey experts opining on the merits of full ice hockey for 6 7 and 8 years olds, ask yourselves a few questions:Guest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:54 am Some of you are so naive, doesn’t matter where you play - talent will rise to the top.
No issue with half ice or full ice options, mine played full ice… but just because you learned what an offside was 2 years earlier and where to lineup on a faceoff isn’t going to change your skill level in the long run. Options are great, and of course kids who played full ice earlier will obviously look better earlier on full ice… there were 2014 teams that played full ice the year before and came out the gate extremely well, and then faded into nothing once the others in the loop figured out their positional play.
Do what’s right for you… and leave it at that…. But athletic kids who are on the ice (no matter what type of play) will rise to the top. That’s just how it is.
Q) What are the 3 top hockey producing nations in the world ?
A) Canada USA Sweden
Q) Is Canada gaining or losing its ground as the top hockey nation?
A) Losing fast
Q) What do the hockey nations gaining ground do with age groups?
A) They play half ice hockey
To all the "experts" stating "facts" and "book it" - these above, are facts not opinions.
You can draw your own conclusion and determine who has it right, and who has it wrong, but the trend is your friend until it bends
the Canadian trend is bent on a downward trajectory
Canada would win at the highest level because we were super skilled and tough. Now, most of our best players are missing the toughness.
The USA, they are doing things the way we used to - plus have 10:1 people in their country. We just need to get back to playing the way we used to play, and stop being pansy's
Re: 2015 AAA
In case anyone forgot, they said the same thing about Canadian hockey in the late 90's - early 00's...Canada came 4th at the 98 Olympics, 6th at the 06 Olympics and didn't win a WJC gold from 98-04. I won't deny US system is getting better (as they had really gone to gutter for a while there) but it seems unless Canada dominates at every tournament, all the time, then we're losing our superiority...Guest wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2024 9:17 amSure Gramps. I'd rather have my team filled with McDavid, MacKinnon, Bedard, Makar etc. than have a bunch of balance up and down my line-up. If you recall Canada has won the last few true best on best competitions. Would discount things like WJCs because in so many instances Canada's best players can't play because they are already in the NHL.Guest wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:29 amthe problem with Canada hockey is not half ice/ full ice - its that we have turned it into a politics and money game. The best players aren't the ones representing our country in most cases. Also, the kids are being force fed skill over effort / toughness etc.Guest wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2024 7:07 amCanada was behind Sweden and USA hockey in adopting the half ice model and is now the first to try and break away from it. Opinions are rampant - empirical evidence is factual. When you look beyond your little corner of the world to what others are having success with you can learn allot.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 4:56 pmCanada is half ice for the most partGuest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 4:35 pmTo all the "geniuses" and hockey experts opining on the merits of full ice hockey for 6 7 and 8 years olds, ask yourselves a few questions:Guest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:54 am Some of you are so naive, doesn’t matter where you play - talent will rise to the top.
No issue with half ice or full ice options, mine played full ice… but just because you learned what an offside was 2 years earlier and where to lineup on a faceoff isn’t going to change your skill level in the long run. Options are great, and of course kids who played full ice earlier will obviously look better earlier on full ice… there were 2014 teams that played full ice the year before and came out the gate extremely well, and then faded into nothing once the others in the loop figured out their positional play.
Do what’s right for you… and leave it at that…. But athletic kids who are on the ice (no matter what type of play) will rise to the top. That’s just how it is.
Q) What are the 3 top hockey producing nations in the world ?
A) Canada USA Sweden
Q) Is Canada gaining or losing its ground as the top hockey nation?
A) Losing fast
Q) What do the hockey nations gaining ground do with age groups?
A) They play half ice hockey
To all the "experts" stating "facts" and "book it" - these above, are facts not opinions.
You can draw your own conclusion and determine who has it right, and who has it wrong, but the trend is your friend until it bends
the Canadian trend is bent on a downward trajectory
Canada would win at the highest level because we were super skilled and tough. Now, most of our best players are missing the toughness.
The USA, they are doing things the way we used to - plus have 10:1 people in their country. We just need to get back to playing the way we used to play, and stop being pansy's
Re: 2015 AAA
Our OMHA centre will be almost all Klevr kids. Full ice had some impact but mostly it was due to all the talented kids joining up last SpringGuest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 1:15 pmEvery coach in the league at this age will take a more talented kid over all of the nonsense you spewed above. Glad that your kid played full ice starting in October instead of January, I'm sure that was the differenceGuest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:14 amYou didn't argue a single point to what ANYONE said.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:54 am Some of you are so naive, doesn’t matter where you play - talent will rise to the top.
No issue with half ice or full ice options, mine played full ice… but just because you learned what an offside was 2 years earlier and where to lineup on a faceoff isn’t going to change your skill level in the long run. Options are great, and of course kids who played full ice earlier will obviously look better earlier on full ice… there were 2014 teams that played full ice the year before and came out the gate extremely well, and then faded into nothing once the others in the loop figured out their positional play.
Do what’s right for you… and leave it at that…. But athletic kids who are on the ice (no matter what type of play) will rise to the top. That’s just how it is.
Yes the top kids will make any team they try out for. But, for the kids who aren't top 2 or 3 on the ice. Full-ice is going to give them a huge advantage to making a team. If you think its just about offsides and where to line up on a face-off you know NOTHING of hockey.
Full ice is teaching kids how to:
Break out plays from their own end
Transitional defense through the neutral zone
Defense understanding of when to pinch
forwards carrying the puck through space and making plays with the puck to their line-mates
Understanding line changes and the dynamics of when its appropriate and when its not - also being cognizant of what your line mates are doing
Short handed play
Power play
Using your defense for bump plays in the offensive zone
understanding team defense in the defensive zone
goalie timing (blue line and inwards)
goalie angles
full size nets for them
I could keep going and going.... So I think its absolutely ridiculous for you or anyone to belittle the fact that the kids playing is the KSL aren't being set up for success in the future. But, yes, one last time - the VERY BEST KIDS will still make teams from an MD program.
Once a team is set in U10 - there is very little change from one year to the next. So spots are limited and its much more difficult to make a team.
Re: 2015 AAA
Apparently Waxers AAA team won’t have any Klevr kids. Likely a mix of reasons but Klevr hasn’t really penetrated the Markham region (isn’t a very convenient option) and the Waxer coach (former nhl player) has done a nice job keeping and developing kids in MD the past few years. Bottom line is good development is less about the league and more about who it is coming from.Guest wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2024 10:03 amOur OMHA centre will be almost all Klevr kids. Full ice had some impact but mostly it was due to all the talented kids joining up last SpringGuest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 1:15 pmEvery coach in the league at this age will take a more talented kid over all of the nonsense you spewed above. Glad that your kid played full ice starting in October instead of January, I'm sure that was the differenceGuest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:14 amYou didn't argue a single point to what ANYONE said.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:54 am Some of you are so naive, doesn’t matter where you play - talent will rise to the top.
No issue with half ice or full ice options, mine played full ice… but just because you learned what an offside was 2 years earlier and where to lineup on a faceoff isn’t going to change your skill level in the long run. Options are great, and of course kids who played full ice earlier will obviously look better earlier on full ice… there were 2014 teams that played full ice the year before and came out the gate extremely well, and then faded into nothing once the others in the loop figured out their positional play.
Do what’s right for you… and leave it at that…. But athletic kids who are on the ice (no matter what type of play) will rise to the top. That’s just how it is.
Yes the top kids will make any team they try out for. But, for the kids who aren't top 2 or 3 on the ice. Full-ice is going to give them a huge advantage to making a team. If you think its just about offsides and where to line up on a face-off you know NOTHING of hockey.
Full ice is teaching kids how to:
Break out plays from their own end
Transitional defense through the neutral zone
Defense understanding of when to pinch
forwards carrying the puck through space and making plays with the puck to their line-mates
Understanding line changes and the dynamics of when its appropriate and when its not - also being cognizant of what your line mates are doing
Short handed play
Power play
Using your defense for bump plays in the offensive zone
understanding team defense in the defensive zone
goalie timing (blue line and inwards)
goalie angles
full size nets for them
I could keep going and going.... So I think its absolutely ridiculous for you or anyone to belittle the fact that the kids playing is the KSL aren't being set up for success in the future. But, yes, one last time - the VERY BEST KIDS will still make teams from an MD program.
Once a team is set in U10 - there is very little change from one year to the next. So spots are limited and its much more difficult to make a team.
Re: 2015 AAA
Guest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 2:41 pmYou people are so delusional.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 1:15 pmEvery coach in the league at this age will take a more talented kid over all of the nonsense you spewed above. Glad that your kid played full ice starting in October instead of January, I'm sure that was the differenceGuest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:14 amYou didn't argue a single point to what ANYONE said.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:54 am Some of you are so naive, doesn’t matter where you play - talent will rise to the top.
No issue with half ice or full ice options, mine played full ice… but just because you learned what an offside was 2 years earlier and where to lineup on a faceoff isn’t going to change your skill level in the long run. Options are great, and of course kids who played full ice earlier will obviously look better earlier on full ice… there were 2014 teams that played full ice the year before and came out the gate extremely well, and then faded into nothing once the others in the loop figured out their positional play.
Do what’s right for you… and leave it at that…. But athletic kids who are on the ice (no matter what type of play) will rise to the top. That’s just how it is.
Yes the top kids will make any team they try out for. But, for the kids who aren't top 2 or 3 on the ice. Full-ice is going to give them a huge advantage to making a team. If you think its just about offsides and where to line up on a face-off you know NOTHING of hockey.
Full ice is teaching kids how to:
Break out plays from their own end
Transitional defense through the neutral zone
Defense understanding of when to pinch
forwards carrying the puck through space and making plays with the puck to their line-mates
Understanding line changes and the dynamics of when its appropriate and when its not - also being cognizant of what your line mates are doing
Short handed play
Power play
Using your defense for bump plays in the offensive zone
understanding team defense in the defensive zone
goalie timing (blue line and inwards)
goalie angles
full size nets for them
I could keep going and going.... So I think its absolutely ridiculous for you or anyone to belittle the fact that the kids playing is the KSL aren't being set up for success in the future. But, yes, one last time - the VERY BEST KIDS will still make teams from an MD program.
Once a team is set in U10 - there is very little change from one year to the next. So spots are limited and its much more difficult to make a team.
Your kids look like crap compared to better kids, that are better prepared, and you can't deal with your poor decision you made. COW made their first round of cuts - not one single MD kid, except a goalie still in.
YSE, no idea what their cuts looked like, but the top half of the kids were ALL KSL kids. I don't think a single MD kid will make it.
Whitby - NO MD
Ajax/Pick - No MD
You can say it doesn't make a difference at tryouts, but you are wrong. Clearly it does. Proven facts.
Whitby No MD - correct
APR - still TBD
North Shore - still TBD
COW - no idea
Re: 2015 AAA
COW is going to be all KSL. Mix of EOYK and NSGuest wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2024 12:06 pmGuest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 2:41 pmYou people are so delusional.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 1:15 pmEvery coach in the league at this age will take a more talented kid over all of the nonsense you spewed above. Glad that your kid played full ice starting in October instead of January, I'm sure that was the differenceGuest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:14 amYou didn't argue a single point to what ANYONE said.Guest wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:54 am Some of you are so naive, doesn’t matter where you play - talent will rise to the top.
No issue with half ice or full ice options, mine played full ice… but just because you learned what an offside was 2 years earlier and where to lineup on a faceoff isn’t going to change your skill level in the long run. Options are great, and of course kids who played full ice earlier will obviously look better earlier on full ice… there were 2014 teams that played full ice the year before and came out the gate extremely well, and then faded into nothing once the others in the loop figured out their positional play.
Do what’s right for you… and leave it at that…. But athletic kids who are on the ice (no matter what type of play) will rise to the top. That’s just how it is.
Yes the top kids will make any team they try out for. But, for the kids who aren't top 2 or 3 on the ice. Full-ice is going to give them a huge advantage to making a team. If you think its just about offsides and where to line up on a face-off you know NOTHING of hockey.
Full ice is teaching kids how to:
Break out plays from their own end
Transitional defense through the neutral zone
Defense understanding of when to pinch
forwards carrying the puck through space and making plays with the puck to their line-mates
Understanding line changes and the dynamics of when its appropriate and when its not - also being cognizant of what your line mates are doing
Short handed play
Power play
Using your defense for bump plays in the offensive zone
understanding team defense in the defensive zone
goalie timing (blue line and inwards)
goalie angles
full size nets for them
I could keep going and going.... So I think its absolutely ridiculous for you or anyone to belittle the fact that the kids playing is the KSL aren't being set up for success in the future. But, yes, one last time - the VERY BEST KIDS will still make teams from an MD program.
Once a team is set in U10 - there is very little change from one year to the next. So spots are limited and its much more difficult to make a team.
Your kids look like crap compared to better kids, that are better prepared, and you can't deal with your poor decision you made. COW made their first round of cuts - not one single MD kid, except a goalie still in.
YSE, no idea what their cuts looked like, but the top half of the kids were ALL KSL kids. I don't think a single MD kid will make it.
Whitby - NO MD
Ajax/Pick - No MD
You can say it doesn't make a difference at tryouts, but you are wrong. Clearly it does. Proven facts.
Whitby No MD - correct
APR - still TBD
North Shore - still TBD
COW - no idea
APR is going to be all KSL. Mix of JW, YK, Durham Mustangs
North Shore - no idea I imagine similar set of kids to APR
Re: 2015 AAA
Whitby is not going to be all KSL. Do you even know how many from the MD kids got offered a spot.
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